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257. Sous Vide Brisket for One Month at 131 °F

January 31, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating sous vide brisket cooked for one month at 131 °F.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • I COOKED a Brisket for a MONTH and this happened! - YouTube
  • 180. Stinky Sous Vide — Risky or Not?
  • ComBase
January 31, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Sous vide, Brisket, Smells

256. Sniffing Milk Instead Using Expiration Dates

January 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of sniffing milk instead using expiration dates.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Morrisons scraps use by dates on milk in favour of sniff test | News | The Grocer
  • Short communication: Bacterial ecology of high-temperature, short-time pasteurized milk processed in the United States - ScienceDirect
  • Pseudomonas aeruginosa as a cause of infectious diarrhoea - PubMed
  • Identification and Pathogenic Potential of Clinical Bacillus and Paenibacillus Isolates - PubMed
January 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Milk, Shelf-life, Spoilage, Smell

255. Lining Wooden Beer Casks With Pine Pitch in Czech Tradition

January 26, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of lining wooden beer casks with pine pitch in Czech tradition.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • The Caipirinha: Fun to Make, Easy to Drink, Hard to Pronounce - Article - FineCooking
  • How to Make Pine Rosin Potatoes
  • Toxic Woods, British Journal of Dermatology
  • Familial Sarcoidosis: Epidemiological Aspects with Notes on a Possible Relationship to the Chewing of Pine Pitch | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network
  • Google Translate of "Untersuchungen über gesundheitsschädigende Hölzer"
  • How to Make Pine Pitch
  • Historical Notes on Barrel Pitching | Community | BeerAdvocate
  • Brewerey u Bansethu - Review of U Bansethu, Prague, Czech Republic - Tripadvisor
  • History Byte – Barrel Pitching – The Black Creek Growler
  • Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Lining casks with pitch
January 26, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pine pitch, Beer, Toxicology

254. Do It Yourself Pizza Oven

January 24, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using a do it yourself pizza oven from TikTok.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The Flintstones would be so proud 😭 #fypシ #pizzastone #diy #cheaptok #pizza #camping #backyard #easydiy
  • Rodrigo on TikTok
  • MSDS for paving stones
  • Is Concrete Toxic?
January 24, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pizza, Toxicology, Concrete

253. Scott's Ambiguously Sealed Mincemeat

January 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a jar of ambiguously sealed mincemeat send from listener Scott.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Scott Lougheed on Twitter: "Opened up a jar of last year’s mincemeat. Ambiguous seal. No signs of spoilage. Ate a teaspoon: Tastes good. 36hrs passed and no sign of botulism (or other illness). Risky or not @benjaminchapman and @bugcounter?" / Twitter
  • Recipes | Mary Berry
  • Mincemeat - Wikipedia
  • National Center for Home Food Preservation | How Do I? Can Fruits
  • Suet - Wikipedia
  • Christmas Brandied Mince Tarts | King Arthur Baking
  • Internet Goes Wild After Photo of Sqirl’s Moldy Jam Goes Viral - Eater LA
January 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Micemeat, Water activity, Canning

252. Taste the TV

January 19, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking Taste the TV.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: "@bugcounter risky or not https://t.co/1wiQ8anaKR" / Twitter
  • Taste the TV: Japan invents lickable screen to imitate food flavours | Japan | The Guardian

  • Tasty TV: Japanese professor creates flavourful screen | Reuters

  • Taste the TV: Japanese professor invents lickable TV screen | wtsp.com
  • Smell-O-Vision - Wikipedia
January 19, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Licking

251. Aaron's Black Eyed Peas

January 17, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating properly stored rehydrated black eye peas not boiled for 20 minutes.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@PulsedAlmondboy @benjaminchapman I have so many questions. It seems that these are already cooked. Why does the label recommend washing? The directions say boil uncovered for 20 minutes, but then it also says don't overcook. Boiling for 20 minutes sure seems like overcooking to me." / Twitter
  • Black Eye Peas | Sunny Creek Farm
  • Traditional Southern New Year's Day Menu - A Southern Soul
January 17, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Black eyed peas, Cooking

250. Pasta With Sauce and Turkey Left Out Overnight

January 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating pasta with sauce and turkey left out overnight.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Use of Time-Temperature Evaluations in Detecting the Responsible Vehicle and Contributing Factors of Foodborne Disease Outbreaks | Journal of Food Protection
  • Fatal Family Outbreak of Bacillus cereus-Associated Food Poisoning
January 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pasta, Turkey, Unrefrigerated food

249. Bringing Frozen Unrefrigerated Peameal Bacon Across the Border

January 12, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks bringing frozen unrefrigerated peameal bacon across the Canada/US border by car.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Back bacon - Wikipedia
  • Peameal bacon - Wikipedia
  • Can I bring meat or poultry into the United States?
  • USDA APHIS | International Traveler: Meats, Poultry, and Seafood
January 12, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bacon, Peameal bacon, Imported foods

248. Eating Raw Bacon

January 10, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating raw cured bacon.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@mathowie @busblog Hey Matt, this is a great question. As raw meats go, bacon is pretty low risk. Based on this research done by my colleague Cathy Cutter @drkitty92 and her graduate student https://t.co/QgxuvlT5Au it looks like conventional bacon is pretty good at inhibiting pathogens." / Twitter
  • Investigation of Quality Attributes and Inhibition of Foodborne Pathogens in “No-Nitrate or Nitrite-Added” Bacon
  • Risk Assessment of Human Toxoplasmosis Associated with the Consumption of Pork Meat in Italy - Condoleo - 2018 - Risk Analysis - Wiley Online Library
  • Myth: The Use of Celery Powder to Cure Some Meats is Misleading
  • What Will Happen If You Eat Undercooked Bacon?
January 10, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bacon, Raw

247. Feeding Breadcrumbs Older Than Your Kid to Your Kid

January 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of accidentally feeding rancid breadcrumbs to your kids.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Piccata - Wikipedia
  • Rancidification - Wikipedia
  • Dietary advanced lipid oxidation endproducts are risk factors to human health - Kanner - 2007 - Molecular Nutrition & Food Research - Wiley Online Library
  • Bread crumbs - Wikipedia
  • An unusual case of anaphylaxis. Mold in pancake mix - PubMed
January 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Spoilage, Rancidity, Oxidation, Breadcrumbs

246. Re-Using Plastic Bags

January 05, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks re-using plastic bags.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Slugore on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter I am wondering about your views on washing and reusing resealable plastic food storage bags. Risky or not? Worth it or not?" / Twitter
January 05, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Plastic bags, Reuse

245. Licking an Ice Sculpture

January 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking an ice sculpture.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Veronica Bryant (@NoroNerd) / Twitter
  • Mary Kathrynn (@marydidyaknow) / Twitter
  • Microbiological quality of ice used to refrigerate foods - ScienceDirect
  • Ice as a vehicle for diarrheagenic Escherichia coli - ScienceDirect
  • Ice sculpture - Wikipedia
  • Multi-pathogen waterborne disease outbreak associated with a dinner cruise on Lake Michigan - PubMed
  • Detection of Norovirus in Saliva Samples from Acute Gastroenteritis Cases and Asymptomatic Subjects: Association with Age and Higher Shedding in Stool - PubMed

From David W. Tharp, Executive Director, International Association for Food Protection: I'm not sure when this "tradition" began, but I'm fairly certain that there was an ice sculpture at my first meeting in 1993. From memory, Charlie Felix was the liaison to the Packaged Ice Association (now International Packaged Ice Association). Charlie worked from 1966 to 1985 for the Foodservice and Packaging Institute (per his LinkedIn profile). He became a publisher and consultant after 1985 and was active in IAFP through 2012.

January 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Ice, Cross-contamination

244. Food Out of Temperature Control for 6 Hours

December 31, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating food held out of temperature control for 6 hours.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Hors d'oeuvre - Wikipedia
  • Mini Ham Quiches Recipe: How to Make It
  • Frank's RedHot® Buffalo Chicken Dip Recipe | Frank's RedHot® US
  • ComBase
  • Food Safety Talk 79: You’re Into Botulism Country (with Merlin Mann) — Food Safety Talk
December 31, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Temperature control, Time as a public health control

243. Unrefrigerated Baileys Irish Cream After 6 Months

December 29, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming Baileys Irish Cream that has been unrefrigerated for 6 months.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Merch — Food Safety Talk
  • helloLCBO | Shelf Life & Storage of Cream Liqueurs - General Knowledge
  • John Roderick Performs "The Week Between" - YouTube
  • Ultimate Guide to Baileys: Does It Go Bad? – The Kitchen Community
December 29, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Temperature control, Baileys Irish Cream

242. Brushing Teeth With Well Water

December 27, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of brushing teeth with well water in a town in Ontario.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Helpless - YouTube
  • Omemee, Ontario - Wikipedia
  • Walkerton E. coli outbreak - Wikipedia
  • Set it and forget it! The greatest infomercial tagline? - YouTube
  • Medical officer of health - Wikipedia
  • Cryptosporidium in Milwaukee’s water supply caused widespread illness
December 27, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Water, Waterborne disease, Brushing teeth

241. Unrefrigerated Pesto

December 24, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of holding pesto unrefrigerated for an extended period of time.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Boxing Day - Wikipedia
  • Current Food Safety Issues of Home-prepared Vegetables and Herbs Stored in Oil
  • Garlic-in-oil associated botulism: episode leads to product modification. | AJPH | Vol. 80 Issue 11
  • Outgrowth and Toxin Production by Clostridium botulinum in Bottled Chopped Garlic | Journal of Food Protection
December 24, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pesto, Temperature control

240. "Lightly" Pasteurized OJ Left at Room Temp for 24 Hours

December 22, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of "lightly" pasteurized orange juice left at room temperature for 24 hours

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Our Story | Simply® Beverages
  • CFR - Code of Federal Regulations Title 21 - definition of pasteurization
  • Botulism Associated with Commercial Carrot Juice --- Georgia and Florida, September 2006
  • International Outbreak of Severe Botulism with Prolonged Toxemia Caused by Commercial Carrot Juice | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic
  • Amazon.com: Customer Questions & Answers
  • Ultra-high-temperature processing - Wikipedia
December 22, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pasteurization, Orange Juice, Temperature abuse

239. Turkey Meatballs From Jimmy Kimmels Steps

December 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating turkey meatballs dropped on Jimmy Kimmels steps

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Happy birthday to @jimmykimmellive. Not only can this guy host the Oscars but he’s a great dad, an incredible pizza chef, and he even has to-go boxes at his house! So much love for this generous and hilarious person. ❤️ #jimmykimmel #meatballs #italian #birthday #comedy #talkshowhost #dinner #partyfoul #storytime #story #funnystory #fyp #fy #fypage
  • Sorry, But The 5-Second Rule Was Debunked by Science Yet Again
  • A systematic look at the five-second rule: Miranda and Schaffner edition | barfblog
  • https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/AEM.01838-16
December 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, 5 Second Rule

238. Raw Egg Eggnog Refrigerated for 6 Months

December 17, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking raw egg eggnog refrigerated for 6 months.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Merch — Risky or Not?
  • Plan Ahead: 30-Day Eggnog - Ruhlman
  • Survival of pathogenic microorganisms in an egg-nog-like product containing 7% ethanol - ScienceDirect
  • If Eggnog Has Eggs in it, Why Is it Safe to Drink? | NC State News
  • Would you like some eggs with your cocktail? | barfblog
  • Tainted Eggnog Fatal to 4 Residents of a County Nursing Home in Jersey - The New York Times
  • The Safe Way to Enjoy Eggnog This Winter | Homegrown | NC State University
December 17, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Eggnog, Alcohol, Salmonella, Raw eggs
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