Risky or Not?

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355. Corn Water

September 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of keeping a half a corn cob in a sealed bottle of water, and sipping after a few days.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@clairedwillett Please google “pruno botulism” 😬" / Twitter
  • Pruno: A Recipe for Botulism | Botulism | CDC
  • Recipe: Fermented Corn — FarmSteady
  • Southern Sour Corn Recipe - How to Make Lacto Fermented Corn
September 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Botulism, Corn

354. Max's Mom's Borscht

September 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooling Max's mom cooling uncovered borscht on the counter before refrigerating.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • 344. Max's Unwashed Basil — Risky or Not?
  • 349. Refrigerating Food in Joshes Weird Tall Cup — Risky or Not?
  • WAC 246-215-03515:
  • Borscht - Wikipedia
  • Who really owns borsch? - BBC Travel
  • Vigor Stainless Steel Stock Pot (20 Qt.): WebstaurantStore
  • Beet Kvass - Fermented Beet Juice [RECIPE!] | Polonist
September 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Borscht, Cooling

353. Cooking Chicken in a Hotel Coffeepot

September 12, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of trying to cook a chicken in a "hotel" coffeepot.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Nick Dawson on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman from Reddit…chicken cooked in a hotel room coffee carafe 🤢https://t.co/t1Ad7LjgcO" / Twitter
  • Dave Harbarger on Twitter: "@bugcounter Apparently satire… but…here’s a link to the original poster on Twitter. https://t.co/z8kAeeszfL" / Twitter
  • The labeled this "Career advice" : insanepeoplefacebook
  • Alex Cohen on Twitter: "This is my best LinkedIn post to date https://t.co/lfyGEGHuo8" / Twitter
  • 👨‍🍳💋 : LinkedInLunatics
  • HUTTEN 9-bottle wine rack, solid wood - IKEA
  • How hot does a coffee maker hot plate get? | Espresso Expert
  • FSIS Cooking Guideline for Meat and Poultry Products (Revised Appendix A) | Food Safety and Inspection Service
September 12, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cooking, Chicken, Hotel

352. Slab Pancetta, 2 Months at 36 °F

September 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating pancetta bacon stored for 2 months at 36 °F.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Evan H B on Twitter: "@bugcounter question for the experts: what is the actual driver for safety risk for cured meat products held at low refrigeration temperatures? i have some slab pancetta that is about 2 months since it was cut from a larger piece by an unknown knife held at 36* since #riskyornot?" / Twitter
  • FoodKeeper App | FoodSafety.gov
  • Pancetta vs Bacon vs Prosciutto: What's the Difference? | Kitchn
  • Prosciutto - Wikipedia
  • Occurrence of mycotoxins in refrigerated pizza dough and risk assessment of exposure for the Spanish population - ScienceDirect
  • The Occurrence of Molds, Yeasts and Mycotoxins in Pre-Cooked Pizza Dough Sold in Southern Rio Grande Do Sul
  • Pathways of Mycotoxin Occurrence in Meat Products: A Review
September 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pancetta, Bacon, Refrigeration

351. Kissing a Bird

September 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from kissing a parrot (Norwegian Blue, or other) or really any bird.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Animals on Instagram: "I can’t handle how cute this is. I watched it like 20 times🥹 Credits to @tamarasbluechicken via TikTok - - - - #funnyparrot #parrot #talkingparrot #cutepets #bird #animallovers"
  • Salmonella Outbreaks Linked to Backyard Poultry | CDC
  • Isolation of Salmonella enterica Serovar Enteritidis in Blue-Fronted Amazon Parrot (Amazona aestiva) | Avian Diseases
  • Testing for Salmonella Spp. In Released Parrots, Wild Parrots, and Domestic Fowl in Lowland Peru | Journal of Wildlife Diseases
  • Dead Parrot sketch - Wikipedia
  • The Parrot Sketch - Monty Python's Flying Circus - video Dailymotion
  • 8 Top Blue Parrot Species to Keep as Pets
September 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Birds, Salmonella, Kissing

350. Everything apron? Cross-contamin-apron

September 05, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using the Everything Apron.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Jeff Tropeano on Twitter: "This abomination should be discussed in full by @benjaminchapman and @bugcounter on Risky or Not https://t.co/Agy8ZbHBJO" / Twitter
  • I prototype absurd invention ideas and this is the Everything Apron. : funny
  • Mise en place - Wikipedia
September 05, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Grilling

349. Refrigerating Food in Joshes Weird Tall Cup

September 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of refrigerating food in a tall container 3 inch wide or less.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • joshincypress on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Food safety question. You have mentioned not refrigerating dishes no more than three inches deep. Is this three inches measured in all directions? Would it be risky to refrigerate soup in this? https://t.co/vbtMs2kLcb" / Twitter
  • Washington State, Temperature and time control—Cooling 246-215-03515:
September 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner

348. Drinking a Glass of Polluted Water From a ‘Holy River’

August 31, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking drinking a glass of polluted water from a ‘holy river’, with bonus content from Ben's vacation.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Ashok Swain on Twitter: "Punjab Chief Minister openly drinks a glass of polluted water from a ‘holy river’ to prove that water is clean. Now admitted to hospital. https://t.co/MH1OLwUlUw" / Twitter
  • Latest Golf News - PGA TOUR
  • Gulf News: Latest UAE news, Dubai news, Business, travel news, Dubai Gold rate, prayer time, cinema
  • CDC - DPDx - Giardiasis
  • CDC - DPDx - Cryptosporidiosis
  • Recreational Water Quality Criteria and Methods | US EPA
  • Understanding Water Quality on Bass Lake
  • Water ingestion during swimming activities in a pool: A pilot study | Journal of Water and Health | IWA Publishing
August 31, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Water, Fecal pollution, E. coli

347. Soaking Uncooked Rice Overnight

August 29, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of soaking uncooked rice overnight.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The effects of heat activation on Bacillus spore germination, with nutrients or under high pressure, with or without various germination proteins - PubMed
  • Can You Soak Rice Overnight? Helpful Tips & Answers
  • Foodborne Disease Outbreaks Caused by Bacillus cereus, Clostridium perfringens, and Staphylococcus aureus—United States, 1998–2008 | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic
  • ComBase
  • CB Premium | Bacillus cereus on cooked rice
August 29, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rice, Bacillus cereus, Time temperature control for safety

346. Skittles

August 26, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating Skittles candy.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Skittles Lawsuit Alleges the Fruit Candy Is 'Unfit for Human Consumption' - CNET
  • American service members in Europe will still be able to ‘taste the rainbow,’ despite EU Skittles ban | Stars and Stripes
  • About Proposition 65 - OEHHA
  • Titanium dioxide - Wikipedia
  • Viral TikTok Falsely Says Tampon Titanium Dioxide Causes Cancer
  • Weight of epidemiological evidence for titanium dioxide risk assessment: current state and further needs | Journal of Exposure Science & Environmental Epidemiology
  • CFR - Code of Federal Regulations Title 21
  • Wine gum - Wikipedia
  • Jelly Babies - Wikipedia


August 26, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Candy, Titanium dioxide, Carcinogen

345. Keith's Exploding Canned Oranges

August 24, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a swollen can of canned oranges several years out of date.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • not a bot on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Can from the back of our pantry. Year from best by date is obliterated. Probably 5 yrs out of date. Very swollen can on both ends. Ready to explode. But the real question is: Risky or Not? https://t.co/o4PeJ73QjA" / Twitter
  • PHT 321: Causes of spoilage of canned/bottled products
  • (not a bot on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Opened the tin (outside), some hissing as the pressure released and the oranges inside were covered with little grey bits of corrosion from the inside of the tin. Smelled ok; I did not taste them. https://t.co/26FUyik61P" / Twitter
August 24, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Canned food, Spoilage, Hydrogen swell, Swollen can

344. Max's Unwashed Basil

August 22, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks making pesto from homegrown basil without washing it first.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Full article: Surface decontamination of Salmonella Typhimurium and Escherichia coli on sweet basil by ozone microbubbles
August 22, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Basil, Fresh produce, Washing

343. Monkeypox in Food and on Food Packaging

August 19, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of getting monkeypox from food or food packaging.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Monkeypox infection: What is the risk of transmission through food? | Anses - Agence nationale de sécurité sanitaire de l’alimentation, de l’environnement et du travail
  • Monkeypox | Poxvirus | CDC
  • WHO Monkeypox info
August 19, 2022 /Don Schaffner

342. Bedroom Pasta

August 17, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drying egg noodles in your bedroom.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Ellen Shumaker | Agricultural and Human Sciences
  • Ellen Thomas Shumaker, PhD | LinkedIn
  • 327. Chicken Soup Unrefrigerated for More Than 6 Hours — Risky or Not?
  • Washington Township, Clarion County, Pennsylvania - Wikipedia
  • Egg Noodles Recipe | Allrecipes
  • Temperature Dependent Growth Characteristics and a Predictive Mathematical Model of Bacillus Cereus in Wet Noodles - LEE - 2011 - Journal of Food Safety - Wiley Online Library
  • Making Homemade Noodles Safely • AnswerLine • Iowa State University Extension and Outreach
  • Microbiological Quality of Raw Dried Pasta from the German Market, with Special Emphasis on Cronobacter Species - PubMed
  • Critical conditions accelerating the deterioration of fresh noodles: A study on temperature, pH, water content, and water activity - Li - 2017 - Journal of Food Processing and Preservation - Wiley Online Library
August 17, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Noodles, Pasta, Bacillus cereus, Staphylococcus aureus

341. Leslie's Artichoke Dip

August 15, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from Leslie Horton’s horrendous holiday artichoke dip that tastes like vinegar but has no vinegar.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Woman Offers Her Signature Spinach Artichoke Dip To Anchors, Leaves Them Gagging On-Air
  • (Video of Leslie Horton’s horrendous holiday artichoke dip goes viral | Globalnews.ca
  • Amazon.com : Native Forest, Artichoke Hearts Marinated, 6 Ounce : Grocery & Gourmet Food
  • Easy Marinated Artichokes Recipe | Allrecipes
August 15, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Vinegar, Fermentation, Spoilage

340. Dried Chicken Juice Sponge

August 12, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a sponge used to wipe up raw chicken juice, rinsed and let drive for several days.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Carnac the Magnificent - Wikipedia
  • Amazon.com: All the Pieces Matter: The Inside Story of The Wire® eBook : Abrams, Jonathan: Kindle Store
  • Bacteria Survive on Kitchen Sponges and Towel in Restaurant and Foodservice Operations | ASM.org
August 12, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Meat juice, Sponges, Salmonella

339. Storing Used Eggshells in the Carton

August 10, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of storing rinsed, used eggshells in the carton in the refrigerator until all the eggs are used.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Contamination of egg shell and contents with Salmonella enteritidis: a review - ScienceDirect
  • An Overview of the Salmonella Enteritidis Risk Assessment for Shell Eggs and Egg Products - Hope - 2002 - Risk Analysis - Wiley Online Library
August 10, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Eggs, Eggshells

These are a different kind of dino. Do Not Eat.

338. Precooked Frozen Dino Nuggies Eaten by 2.5 Year Old

August 08, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of a 2.5 year old eating precooked dino nuggies while still frozen.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • chicken strips | Food Safety News
  • Fun Nuggets Dino Nuggets | Tyson® Brand
  • Dino-Buddies® (Rivercrest Industries, Inc.) | Dino-Buddies®
  • Oral Health in Canada: Health risks of frozen raw breaded chicken products: A local health unit perspective - PMC
  • Original Dinosaur-Shaped — Yummy Dino Buddies
  • Perdue Panko Breaded Chicken Breast Dino Nuggets - Frozen - 27oz : Target

Note this was recorded before the USDA FSIS announcement:

  • USDA Announces Action to Declare Salmonella an Adulterant in Breaded Stuffed Raw Chicken Products | USDA
August 08, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Chicken

337. Toilet Paper Roll Tubes for Crafts for Kids

August 05, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks using toilet paper roll tubes for crafts for kids.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Toilet Paper Roll Crafts: 50+ Great Ideas! - Mod Podge Rocks
  • Doctor uses toilet paper roll to check for choking hazards
  • Are Toilet Paper Rolls Sanitary for Crafts? - Colorful Craft Corner
  • Potential for aerosolization of Clostridium difficile after flushing toilets: the role of toilet lids in reducing environmental contamination risk - PubMed
  • Evaluation of bacterial contaminants found on unused paper towels and possible postcontamination after handwashing: A pilot study - ScienceDirect
  • Study Finds Bacteria in Unused Paper Towels
August 05, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Fecal contamination, Crafts

336. Unrefrigerated Ham & Cheese Croissant

August 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating an unrefrigerated ham & cheese croissant.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Food Safety - Time/Temperature Control for Safety (TCS) Food | SCDHEC
  • Time As a Public Health Control Example
  • Temperature Response of Individually Wrapped Packaged Sandwiches as a Function of Time
  • Screentone - Wikipedia
August 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Time as a public health control, Time temperature control for safety
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