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387. Licking a Sonoran Desert Toad

November 30, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking a Sonoran Desert Toad.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Please don't lick this psychedelic toad, National Park Service warns | National News | kvoa.com
  • Bufotenin - Wikipedia
  • All the celebrities who 'died' from smoking toad venom
  • Spanish Porn Star Arrested For Death From Toad Venom Ritual, What Is 5-MeO-DMT
  • Demand for This Toad’s Psychedelic Toxin Is Booming. Some Warn That’s Bad for the Toad. - The New York Times
  • Colorado River toad - Wikipedia
  • Bufo Toad Ceremony Therapy: Is 5-MeO-DMT Right for Me?
  • Salmonella Infection from Frogs, Turtles and Lizards
November 30, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Sonoran desert toad, Toxin, Psychedelics, Bufotenin

386. Pink Burger at 170 °F

November 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a clearly pink burger that is cooked to 170 °F.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Persistent pinkness in ground beef patties - Meat Science
  • Fresh Ground Beef Color: A Consumer Guide
  • Assessment of Risk Communication about Undercooked Hamburgers by Restaurant Servers - PubMed
  • Dr. Melvin Hunt: Relationship of Meat Color to Cooked Meat Safety - YouTube
November 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Burger, Persistent pink, Cooking

385. George Costanza Trash Eclair

November 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating food out of the trash, specifically the canonical example from the hit TV show Seinfeld where George eats an eclair out of the trash.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • The Trash Eater - Seinfeld - YouTube
  • Chocolate Eclair (film) - Wikipedia)
November 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Trash, Cross-contamination, Eclair

384. Mother In-Law's Well Rested Thanksgiving Turkey

November 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of very well rested Thanksgiving turkey from a listeners Mother In-Law.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Growth of Clostridium perfringens in cooked chili during cooling | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • Survival of Clostridium perfringens During Baking and Holding of Turkey Stuffing - PMC
  • Staphylococcal Food Poisoning from Turkey at a Country Club Buffet -- New Mexico
  • ComBase
  • Store your Thanksgiving leftovers safely, and quickly - USATODAY.com
November 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Room Temperature

383. Smoking a 27 Lb Turkey

November 21, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks that Ben will face this American thanksgiving when he smokes a 27 lb turkey named ham.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Staphylococcal Food Poisoning from Turkey at a Country Club Buffet -- New Mexico
  • Growth of Clostridium perfringens in cooked chili during cooling | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • Thermal Inactivation of Clostridium perfringens Enterotoxin in Buffer and in Chicken Gravy - 1982 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • Growth and Survival of Clostridium Perfringens During Constantly Rising Temperatures - Willardsen- 1978 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • ComBase
November 21, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Smoked meat, Cooking

382. Don's Condolences Chili

November 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks posed by a pot full of warm chili delivered by well-meaning family friends when no one was home.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Obituary for Willliam Robert Schaffner | Ness-Sibley Funeral Home
  • Growth of Clostridium perfringens in cooked chili during cooling | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • Thermal Inactivation of Clostridium perfringens Enterotoxin in Buffer and in Chicken Gravy - 1982 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
November 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Clostridium perfringens, Cooling, Temperature control

381. Eating Random Mushrooms From the Forest

November 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating "random" mushrooms from the forest.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Ohio foragers are accidentally poisoning themselves with lethal mushrooms | Ars Technica
  • Cincinnati Childrens on Twitter: "Multiple patients have reported eating mushrooms foraged from a public area in SW Ohio that appear to be highly toxic. You should never eat wild mushrooms. If someone has eaten a wild mushroom and has any symptoms, immediately contact the Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222." / Twitter
  • Hunting Mushrooms: The Old Not Bold Approach | The Outside Story
  • ‎Model Wild Harvested Mushroom Program
  • Random Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
November 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Wild mushrooms, Mushrooms

380. Ninety Minute Room Temperature Delivery Sushi

November 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of home delivery sushi that arrived after ninety minute and at room temperature.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • ComBase
  • sushi - Risky or Not?
  • Salmonella Outbreak Linked to Fish | CDC
November 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner

379. Jeff's 12 Hour Delayed Start Short Ribs

November 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooking short ribs after a 12 hour delay at room temperature.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Instant Pot Short Ribs (Pressure Cooker) | Tested by Amy + Jacky
  • ComBase
  • Evaluating Microbial Safety of Slow Partial-Cooking Processes for Bacon: Use of a Predictive Tool Based on Small-Scale Isothermal Meat Inoculation Studies | Journal of Food Protection
November 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Clostridium perfringens, Staphylococcus aureus, Time temperature control for safety

378. Toast

November 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of acrylamide in toast.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • From poisoned party to toxic toast: How to get nerve poison out of your food | Food Safety News
  • Review of epidemiologic studies of dietary acrylamide intake and the risk of cancer on JSTOR
  • EFSA Scientific Opinion on acrylamide in food
  • Acrylamide | Food Standards Agency
  • Chemical Concerns – Does Acrylamide in Toast & Roast Potatoes Cause Cancer? – Compound Interest
  • Streetband - Toast - YouTube
November 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Acrylamide, Toast, Epidemiology

377. Election Night Pizza

November 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating pizza left out for six hours.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • All the Risky or Not? Pizza Episodes
  • ComBase Perfringens Predictor
November 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pizza, Temperature control for safety foods

376. Ben's Bagel Shop Knife Cleaning

November 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of bagel's from Ben's (not Chapman) bagel shop, given their knife cleaning procedures.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The Differences Between Gravlax, Lox, and Smoked Salmon
  • Allergen Removal and Transfer with Wiping and Cleaning Methods Used in Retail and Food Service Establishments | Journal of Food Protection
  • Lauren S. Jackson | LinkedIn
November 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Bagels, Lox, Cream cheese, Allergen

375. Eating a Medium Rare Blade Tenderized Steak

November 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a medium rare blade tenderized steak.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Fate of Shiga Toxin–Producing O157:H7 and Non-O157:H7 Escherichia coli Cells within Blade-Tenderized Beef Steaks after Cooking on a Commercial Open-Flame Gas Grill† | Journal of Food Protection
  • Thermal Inactivation of Escherichia coli O157:H7 in Blade-Tenderized Beef Steaks Cooked on a Commercial Open-Flame Gas Grill†‡ | Journal of Food Protection
  • Inactivation of Shiga toxin-producing O157:H7 and non-O157:H7 Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli in brine-injected, gas-grilled steaks - PubMed
November 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Meat, Blade tenderized, E. coli

374. Eating Meat of a Properly Cooked (160 °F) Rabid Animal

October 31, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating meat of a properly cooked (160 °F) rabid animal

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Furious Rabies after an Atypical Exposure | PLOS Medicine
  • What if? 2: Additional Serious Scientific Answers to Absurd Hypothetical Questions
  • Rabies virus in slaughtered dogs for meat consumption in Ghana: A potential risk for rabies transmission - PubMed
  • Rhabdovirus (Rabies Virus) document from AABB
  • Home - Association for the Advancement of Blood & Biotherapies
October 31, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rabies, Thermal inactivation, Heating, Cooking

373. Sharing Popcorn With a Fox

October 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of sharing popcorn with a fox.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The Text of Green Eggs and Ham
  • Isolation and identification of Salmonella spp. from red foxes (Vulpes vulpes) and badgers (Meles meles) in northern Italy - PMC
  • Gastrointestinal Diseases - PMC
  • What Would the Fox Say lyrics
October 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fox, Cross-contamination, Popcorn

372. Siracusa's Gull Bite Sandwich

October 26, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a sandwich that a seagull has taken a bite from.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

PS thanks to Christopher Robin (surely not their real name) for the Overcast Link.

  • Seagulls (Larus spp.) as vectors of salmonellae: an investigation into the range of serotypes and numbers of salmonellae in gull faeces - PubMed
  • Isolation and characterization of multidrug resistant beta-lactamase producing Salmonella enterica from wild migratory birds
  • Pigeons aren't just rats with wings
  • Salmonellosis in wild birds | Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife
  • Salmonella Outbreak Linked to Wild Songbirds | CDC
  • 351. Kissing a Bird — Risky or Not?
October 26, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Birds, Salmonella, Sandwich, Cross-contamination

371. Ben and Jerry's Pet Ice Cream for Humans

October 24, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating Ben and Jerry's Doggie Desserts if you are a human.

This episode does contain a brief digression of a different podcast and titled "suppress your bell", but what's in the show is in the show (c) RotL.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Jason Folster☣️ on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman #riskyornot We all know the dangers of pet treats (don’t chew on pig ears people) but what about this adorable B&J ice cream mistakenly eaten by a person? https://t.co/9K7iEnXmSk" / Twitter
  • Jess Chen on Twitter: "@jfolster @bugcounter @benjaminchapman You would think they would make it look at lot more different than human ice cream. Honestly though, of all the pet treats out there, I’d eat this one on a dare lol." / Twitter
  • Pet Food Safety | Healthy Pets, Healthy People | CDC
  • Pet Food | FDA
  • What is Meal? | Do By Friday
  • FDA Investigates Contaminated Pig Ear Pet Treats Connected to Human Salmonella Infections | FDA
  • FAQ: All About Dogs, Ice Cream & Doggie Desserts | Ben & Jerry’s | Ben & Jerry’s
October 24, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pet food, Ice cream

370. Chuck's Cold Brew

October 21, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of making cold brew in the style of Dr. Chuck Haas.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Charles Haas | Drexel Engineering
  • 38: Black Coffee at Room Temperature — Risky or Not?
  • Factors That Impact Survival of Salmonella during Storage of Beans and Batch Production of Cold Brew Coffee


October 21, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Coffee, Salmonella, Time temperature control for safety

369. Thermos Cooking

October 19, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using a Thermos to "cook" food.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Thermos Cooking - The Boat Galley
October 19, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Thermos, Temperature control, Hot holding

368. Butter Boards

October 17, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of the hot new TikTok trend of butter boards.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Happy Carcoochie Board 2022!
  • Butter board trend sickens TikTok: 'Heart attack on a plate'
  • Butter Boards Are Spreading Across TikTok - The New York Times
  • Butter > #butterboard #butter
  • Bacteria and Various Cutting Board Materials by Dean O. Cliver Ph.D
  • Preliminary assessment of microbial quality of edible flowers - ScienceDirect
October 17, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Butter, TikTok, Time temperature control for safety
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