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Spoiler alert - it wasn’t the leftovers. Also, just be glad I didn’t post any pictures from the NEJM.

270. Rice, Chicken, and Lo Mein Leftovers

March 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of shock, multiple organ failure, and rash after eating rice, chicken, and lo mein leftovers.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Case Challenge — A 19-Year-Old Man with Shock, Multiple Organ Failure, and Rash — NEJM
  • Dr. Glaucomflecken (@DGlaucomflecken) / Twitter
  • Meningococcal Disease | CDC
  • What a Food Safety Expert Says About Storing Leftovers After Teen's Food Poisoning-Amputation Case Goes Viral | Inside Edition
  • BAM Chapter 14: Bacillus cereus | FDA
March 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Medical doctors, Leftovers, Food poisoning

Cat sniffing a cat cake

269. Cat Licked Cake

February 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating cake licked by a cat.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Goudy Bold Italic on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter @firstbornspawn Risky or not: cake that a cat has been licking. Not frosted, plain top with occasional crumb topping. (Extra credit: gross or not?) Just happened, is it rude to not want to take home leftover cake after your hosts' cat has licked it?" / Twitter
  • Cats | Healthy Pets, Healthy People | CDC
  • 'I’m not a cat': lawyer gets stuck on Zoom kitten filter during court case - YouTube
  • Anaplasma, Ehrlichia and Rickettsia species infections in cats: European guidelines from the ABCD on prevention and management - Maria Grazia Pennisi, Regina Hofmann-Lehmann, Alan D Radford, Séverine Tasker, Sándor Belák, Diane D Addie, Corine Boucraut-Baralon, Herman Egberink, Tadeusz Frymus, Tim Gruffydd-Jones, Katrin Hartmann, Marian C Horzinek, Margaret J Hosie, Albert Lloret, Hans Lutz, Fulvio Marsilio, Etienne Thiry, Uwe Truyen, Karin Möstl, 2017
  • Detection of Bartonella henselae in domestic cats' saliva
February 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cat, Licking

268. Old Outbreak Peanut Butter

February 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating peanut butter linked to a food poisoning outbreak more than a decade ago.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Robbie Trencheny on Twitter: "@westernunion2k @bugcounter" / Twitter
  • ConAgra Agrees to Pay $11.2 Million for Salmonella Outbreak | Food Safety News
  • December 13, 2016: Conagra Subsidiary Sentenced in Connection with Outbreak of Salmonella Poisoning Related to Peanut Butter | FDA
  • Survival of Salmonella in peanut butter and peanut butter spread - Burnett - 2000 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Fate of Salmonella Tennessee in peanut butter at 4 and 22 degrees C - PubMed
  • Is trying to sell a recalled food product illegal - Hell, yes! | Marler Blog
  • Vintage Antique Peter Pan Peanut Butter Jar w/ Lid & Original Paper Label | eBay
February 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Peanut butter, Outbreak, Salmonella

267. Single Mouse Turd Near the Guacamole Ingredients

February 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from guacamole made from ingredients with a mouse turd nearby

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Mr. Show - Pre-Taped Call-in Show - YouTube
  • U.S. suspends Mexican avocado imports after threat to inspector
  • TK on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Wife had a three tier bowl in kitchen. Garlic on top tier, then onions next, then potatoes. Made guac today (using onion and garlic) and then prepped potatoes for instant pot. Found a 🐭 dropping behind the bowl after food prep.Risky or not for guac?" / Twitter
  • Sprinkles - Wikipedia
  • Milk Chocolate Sprinkles by De Ruijter, 13.4 oz. (380 g) | Yummy Bazaar
  • How are Cockroaches and Palmetto Bugs Different? | Orkin
February 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rodent, Feces, Guacamole

266. Linda's Molten Chocolate Lava Cakes

February 21, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of a Molten Chocolate Lava Cake recipe suggested by front of the show Dr. Linda Harris

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • The Best and The Easiest Molten Chocolate Lava Cakes - Averie Cooks
  • Presentation: Mug Cakes Baked in Microwave Ovens: The Influence of Baking Time and Internal Temperature on Risk of Foodborne Illness (IAFP 2017)
  • Molten Chocolate Cakes Recipe | Kraft Canada Cooking
  • Validation of a Simulated Commercial Frying Process to Control Salmonella in Donuts - PubMed
  • Desserts : Red Fish Grill Restaurant : New Orleans, Louisiana
  • Thermal inactivation of Salmonella during hard and soft cookies baking process - PubMed
February 21, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cake, Baking

265. Sewer Shrimp

February 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating shrimp harvested from a sewer and washed in a bathroom.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Billy Bostickson 🏴👁&👁 🆓 on Twitter: "4. More Sewer Shrimp Photos "A series of disturbing photos have exposed the antics of shrimp sellers in Wuhan who were seen scavenging shrimp from the sewers to sell to the unsuspecting public" https://t.co/ixHubGEjcG https://t.co/WUTarPqs1Z" / Twitter
  • Photos Show Vendors in China Using 'Sewer Shrimp' to Make Street Food
  • Chinese people still cooking with 'fatbergs' from sewer as coronavirus crisis deepens - Daily Star
  • Stocking your Aquarium: Dive into the World of Freshwater Shrimp
  • Hepatitis A increase in Chinese province linked to seafood | Food Safety News
February 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Shrimp, Sanitation, Sewers

264. Kapchunka

February 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of Kapchunka

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Russ & Daughters on Instagram: “It's our bagel corner now, but do you know what used to hang in its place? KAPCHUNKAS. Yes, this #tbt we're evoking the old-school…”
  • Kamchatka Peninsula - Wikipedia
  • Botulism Associated with Commercially Distributed Kapchunka -- New York City
  • International Outbreak of Type E Botulism Associated With Ungutted, Salted Whitefish
  • CPG Sec 540.650 Uneviscerated Fish Products that are Salt-cured, Dried, or Smoked (Revised) | FDA
February 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fish, Botulism

263. Eating Foods Labeled as “Made in a Facility” With a Food to Which You Are Allergic

February 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating foods labeled as “made in a facility” with a food to which you are allergic.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Food Allergy Research & Education
  • Food Allergy Research and Resource Program | Nebraska
  • Which Allergens Are in Your Food? You Can’t Always Tell From the Labels - The New York Times
  • Food Allergen Labeling and Purchasing Habits in the United States and Canada - The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology: In Practice
February 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Food allergy

262. Justin's Leftover Steak, Cooked on the Use-By Date and Eaten Two Days Later

February 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of steak, cooked on the use-by date and eaten two days later.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Justin on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman #RiskyOrNot eating leftover pre-cut steak (i.e., stir fry steak) that was cooked on the “use by” date 2 days after the “use by” date. (In my mind, the game clock reset when I cooked it, but my wife wants an expert opinion.)" / Twitter
  • Listeria - Wikipedia
  • Food Product Dating | Food Safety and Inspection Service
February 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Steak, Leftovers, Use-by date

Note this is not a picture of Sam’s actual snow and ice, just Don’s first imagining of it. Listen to the episode you animals.

261. Sam's Plowed Snow and Ice

February 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks faced by Ben's son Sam when Sam eats plowed up snow and ice at his school.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Amazon.com : Trideer Inflated Wobble Cushion - Wiggle Seat for Sensory Kids(Multiple Colors), Core Balance Disc (Extra Thick), Flexible Seating for All Age(Office & School & Home) (34cm Avocado) : Sports & Outdoors
  • 113. Eating Snow — Risky or Not?
  • Letterkenny (TV series) - Wikipedia)
February 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Snow, Ice, Salt

260. Wegmans Cook in a Bag Meal Cooked in a Slow Cooker

February 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a "cook in bag meal" designed to be cooked in a slow cooker when cooked in a slow cooker.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Cook-in-Bag Entrees: Delicious flavor, cooks perfect every time - YouTube
  • Cook-in-Bag Meat Entrees - Wegmans
  • Cook-in-Bag Meat Entrees - Wegmans
  • Cook-in-Bag Meals - Wegmans
  • Slow cookers and food safety | UMN Extension
February 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Slow cooker, Cook-in-bag

259. Eating a Food or at a Restaurant Again, After (You Think) It Made You Sick

February 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating a food or at a restaurant again, after (you think) it made you sick

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Report Food Poisoning Now. Protect Others.
  • Patrick Quade on Twitter: ""...one more shot", "...have my husband try it" - we get quite a few 'double down' reports like this. We think it's generally not a good idea. Thoughts? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter @okieokra @c_zoellner #iwaspoisoned https://t.co/UffU9hXcb8" / Twitter
  • Leftovers Make You sick? What you need to know
  • Food Safety Talk 254: Bridge-Tunnel-Bridge-Tunnel — Food Safety Talk
  • Toffee-tastic® | Little Brownie Bakers
February 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Food poisoning, Food sensitivity

258. Re-Using Boxed Fish Fry Stored at Room Temperature

February 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of re-using boxed fish fry stored at room temperature.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • 246. Re-Using Plastic Bags — Risky or Not?
  • Zatarain's® Crispy Southern Fish Fri | Zatarain's
  • The Places of Athens throughout the Decades | Magazine | redandblack.com
  • Athens, GA Restaurant Behind R.E.M.'s "Automatic for the People" to Close - Eater
February 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fried fish, Breading, Re-use

257. Sous Vide Brisket for One Month at 131 °F

January 31, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating sous vide brisket cooked for one month at 131 °F.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • I COOKED a Brisket for a MONTH and this happened! - YouTube
  • 180. Stinky Sous Vide — Risky or Not?
  • ComBase
January 31, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Sous vide, Brisket, Smells

256. Sniffing Milk Instead Using Expiration Dates

January 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of sniffing milk instead using expiration dates.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Morrisons scraps use by dates on milk in favour of sniff test | News | The Grocer
  • Short communication: Bacterial ecology of high-temperature, short-time pasteurized milk processed in the United States - ScienceDirect
  • Pseudomonas aeruginosa as a cause of infectious diarrhoea - PubMed
  • Identification and Pathogenic Potential of Clinical Bacillus and Paenibacillus Isolates - PubMed
January 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Milk, Shelf-life, Spoilage, Smell

255. Lining Wooden Beer Casks With Pine Pitch in Czech Tradition

January 26, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of lining wooden beer casks with pine pitch in Czech tradition.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • The Caipirinha: Fun to Make, Easy to Drink, Hard to Pronounce - Article - FineCooking
  • How to Make Pine Rosin Potatoes
  • Toxic Woods, British Journal of Dermatology
  • Familial Sarcoidosis: Epidemiological Aspects with Notes on a Possible Relationship to the Chewing of Pine Pitch | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network
  • Google Translate of "Untersuchungen über gesundheitsschädigende Hölzer"
  • How to Make Pine Pitch
  • Historical Notes on Barrel Pitching | Community | BeerAdvocate
  • Brewerey u Bansethu - Review of U Bansethu, Prague, Czech Republic - Tripadvisor
  • History Byte – Barrel Pitching – The Black Creek Growler
  • Shut up about Barclay Perkins: Lining casks with pitch
January 26, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pine pitch, Beer, Toxicology

254. Do It Yourself Pizza Oven

January 24, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using a do it yourself pizza oven from TikTok.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The Flintstones would be so proud 😭 #fypシ #pizzastone #diy #cheaptok #pizza #camping #backyard #easydiy
  • Rodrigo on TikTok
  • MSDS for paving stones
  • Is Concrete Toxic?
January 24, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pizza, Toxicology, Concrete

253. Scott's Ambiguously Sealed Mincemeat

January 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a jar of ambiguously sealed mincemeat send from listener Scott.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Scott Lougheed on Twitter: "Opened up a jar of last year’s mincemeat. Ambiguous seal. No signs of spoilage. Ate a teaspoon: Tastes good. 36hrs passed and no sign of botulism (or other illness). Risky or not @benjaminchapman and @bugcounter?" / Twitter
  • Recipes | Mary Berry
  • Mincemeat - Wikipedia
  • National Center for Home Food Preservation | How Do I? Can Fruits
  • Suet - Wikipedia
  • Christmas Brandied Mince Tarts | King Arthur Baking
  • Internet Goes Wild After Photo of Sqirl’s Moldy Jam Goes Viral - Eater LA
January 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Micemeat, Water activity, Canning

252. Taste the TV

January 19, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking Taste the TV.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: "@bugcounter risky or not https://t.co/1wiQ8anaKR" / Twitter
  • Taste the TV: Japan invents lickable screen to imitate food flavours | Japan | The Guardian

  • Tasty TV: Japanese professor creates flavourful screen | Reuters

  • Taste the TV: Japanese professor invents lickable TV screen | wtsp.com
  • Smell-O-Vision - Wikipedia
January 19, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Licking

251. Aaron's Black Eyed Peas

January 17, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating properly stored rehydrated black eye peas not boiled for 20 minutes.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@PulsedAlmondboy @benjaminchapman I have so many questions. It seems that these are already cooked. Why does the label recommend washing? The directions say boil uncovered for 20 minutes, but then it also says don't overcook. Boiling for 20 minutes sure seems like overcooking to me." / Twitter
  • Black Eye Peas | Sunny Creek Farm
  • Traditional Southern New Year's Day Menu - A Southern Soul
January 17, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Black eyed peas, Cooking
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