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250. Pasta With Sauce and Turkey Left Out Overnight

January 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating pasta with sauce and turkey left out overnight.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Use of Time-Temperature Evaluations in Detecting the Responsible Vehicle and Contributing Factors of Foodborne Disease Outbreaks | Journal of Food Protection
  • Fatal Family Outbreak of Bacillus cereus-Associated Food Poisoning
January 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pasta, Turkey, Unrefrigerated food

249. Bringing Frozen Unrefrigerated Peameal Bacon Across the Border

January 12, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks bringing frozen unrefrigerated peameal bacon across the Canada/US border by car.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Back bacon - Wikipedia
  • Peameal bacon - Wikipedia
  • Can I bring meat or poultry into the United States?
  • USDA APHIS | International Traveler: Meats, Poultry, and Seafood
January 12, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bacon, Peameal bacon, Imported foods

248. Eating Raw Bacon

January 10, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating raw cured bacon.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Don Schaffner ๐Ÿฆ  on Twitter: "@mathowie @busblog Hey Matt, this is a great question. As raw meats go, bacon is pretty low risk. Based on this research done by my colleague Cathy Cutter @drkitty92 and her graduate student https://t.co/QgxuvlT5Au it looks like conventional bacon is pretty good at inhibiting pathogens." / Twitter
  • Investigation of Quality Attributes and Inhibition of Foodborne Pathogens in โ€œNo-Nitrate or Nitrite-Addedโ€ Bacon
  • Risk Assessment of Human Toxoplasmosis Associated with the Consumption of Pork Meat in Italy - Condoleo - 2018 - Risk Analysis - Wiley Online Library
  • Myth: The Use of Celery Powder to Cure Some Meats is Misleading
  • What Will Happen If You Eat Undercooked Bacon?
January 10, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bacon, Raw

247. Feeding Breadcrumbs Older Than Your Kid to Your Kid

January 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of accidentally feeding rancid breadcrumbs to your kids.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Piccata - Wikipedia
  • Rancidification - Wikipedia
  • Dietary advanced lipid oxidation endproducts are risk factors to human health - Kanner - 2007 - Molecular Nutrition & Food Research - Wiley Online Library
  • Bread crumbs - Wikipedia
  • An unusual case of anaphylaxis. Mold in pancake mix - PubMed
January 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Spoilage, Rancidity, Oxidation, Breadcrumbs

246. Re-Using Plastic Bags

January 05, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks re-using plastic bags.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Slugore on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter I am wondering about your views on washing and reusing resealable plastic food storage bags. Risky or not? Worth it or not?" / Twitter
January 05, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Plastic bags, Reuse

245. Licking an Ice Sculpture

January 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking an ice sculpture.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Veronica Bryant (@NoroNerd) / Twitter
  • Mary Kathrynn (@marydidyaknow) / Twitter
  • Microbiological quality of ice used to refrigerate foods - ScienceDirect
  • Ice as a vehicle for diarrheagenic Escherichia coli - ScienceDirect
  • Ice sculpture - Wikipedia
  • Multi-pathogen waterborne disease outbreak associated with a dinner cruise on Lake Michigan - PubMed
  • Detection of Norovirus in Saliva Samples from Acute Gastroenteritis Cases and Asymptomatic Subjects: Association with Age and Higher Shedding in Stool - PubMed

From David W. Tharp, Executive Director, International Association for Food Protection: I'm not sure when this "tradition" began, but I'm fairly certain that there was an ice sculpture at my first meeting in 1993. From memory, Charlie Felix was the liaison to the Packaged Ice Association (now International Packaged Ice Association). Charlie worked from 1966 to 1985 for the Foodservice and Packaging Institute (per his LinkedIn profile). He became a publisher and consultant after 1985 and was active in IAFP through 2012.

January 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Ice, Cross-contamination

244. Food Out of Temperature Control for 6 Hours

December 31, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating food held out of temperature control for 6 hours.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Hors d'oeuvre - Wikipedia
  • Mini Ham Quiches Recipe: How to Make It
  • Frank's RedHotยฎ Buffalo Chicken Dip Recipe | Frank's RedHotยฎ US
  • ComBase
  • Food Safety Talk 79: Youโ€™re Into Botulism Country (with Merlin Mann) โ€” Food Safety Talk
December 31, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Temperature control, Time as a public health control

243. Unrefrigerated Baileys Irish Cream After 6 Months

December 29, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming Baileys Irish Cream that has been unrefrigerated for 6 months.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Merch โ€” Food Safety Talk
  • helloLCBO | Shelf Life & Storage of Cream Liqueurs - General Knowledge
  • John Roderick Performs "The Week Between" - YouTube
  • Ultimate Guide to Baileys: Does It Go Bad? โ€“ The Kitchen Community
December 29, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Temperature control, Baileys Irish Cream

242. Brushing Teeth With Well Water

December 27, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of brushing teeth with well water in a town in Ontario.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Helpless - YouTube
  • Omemee, Ontario - Wikipedia
  • Walkerton E. coli outbreak - Wikipedia
  • Set it and forget it! The greatest infomercial tagline? - YouTube
  • Medical officer of health - Wikipedia
  • Cryptosporidium in Milwaukeeย’s water supply caused widespread illness
December 27, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Water, Waterborne disease, Brushing teeth

241. Unrefrigerated Pesto

December 24, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of holding pesto unrefrigerated for an extended period of time.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Boxing Day - Wikipedia
  • Current Food Safety Issues of Home-prepared Vegetables and Herbs Stored in Oil
  • Garlic-in-oil associated botulism: episode leads to product modification. | AJPH | Vol. 80 Issue 11
  • Outgrowth and Toxin Production by Clostridium botulinum in Bottled Chopped Garlic | Journal of Food Protection
December 24, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pesto, Temperature control

240. "Lightly" Pasteurized OJ Left at Room Temp for 24 Hours

December 22, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of "lightly" pasteurized orange juice left at room temperature for 24 hours

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Our Story | Simplyยฎ Beverages
  • CFR - Code of Federal Regulations Title 21 - definition of pasteurization
  • Botulism Associated with Commercial Carrot Juice --- Georgia and Florida, September 2006
  • International Outbreak of Severe Botulism with Prolonged Toxemia Caused by Commercial Carrot Juice | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic
  • Amazon.com: Customer Questions & Answers
  • Ultra-high-temperature processing - Wikipedia
December 22, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pasteurization, Orange Juice, Temperature abuse

239. Turkey Meatballs From Jimmy Kimmels Steps

December 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating turkey meatballs dropped on Jimmy Kimmels steps

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Happy birthday to @jimmykimmellive. Not only can this guy host the Oscars but heโ€™s a great dad, an incredible pizza chef, and he even has to-go boxes at his house! So much love for this generous and hilarious person. โค๏ธ #jimmykimmel #meatballs #italian #birthday #comedy #talkshowhost #dinner #partyfoul #storytime #story #funnystory #fyp #fy #fypage
  • Sorry, But The 5-Second Rule Was Debunked by Science Yet Again
  • A systematic look at the five-second rule: Miranda and Schaffner edition | barfblog
  • https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/AEM.01838-16
December 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, 5 Second Rule

238. Raw Egg Eggnog Refrigerated for 6 Months

December 17, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking raw egg eggnog refrigerated for 6 months.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Plan Ahead: 30-Day Eggnog - Ruhlman
  • Survival of pathogenic microorganisms in an egg-nog-like product containing 7% ethanol - ScienceDirect
  • If Eggnog Has Eggs in it, Why Is it Safe to Drink? | NC State News
  • Would you like some eggs with your cocktail? | barfblog
  • Tainted Eggnog Fatal to 4 Residents of a County Nursing Home in Jersey - The New York Times
  • The Safe Way to Enjoy Eggnog This Winter | Homegrown | NC State University
December 17, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Eggnog, Alcohol, Salmonella, Raw eggs

237. My Twinkie Smells Like Poop

December 15, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating food near a sewage treatment plant.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Death and miasma in Victorian London: an obstinate belief | The BMJ
  • Application of electronic nose as a non-invasive technique for odor fingerprinting and detection of bacterial foodborne pathogens: a review
December 15, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Miasma, Sewage, Smells

236. Eating 2,400 Year Old Soup

December 13, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating 2,400 year old soup.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • (4) Brett Weed on Twitter: "Hey @benjaminchapman and @bugcounter, eating 2,400 year old soupโ€”#riskyornot?" / Twitter
  • Museum Archive on Twitter: "In 2010, Chinese archaeologists unearthed a 2,400-year-old bone soup in a sealed bronze cooking vessel near Xi'an in Northwest China. Because of oxidization, the soup turned green, but it was still in liquid form, and the bones were still floating on top https://t.co/IPolPGproi" / Twitter
  • In 2010, Chinese archaeologists unearthed a 2,400-year-old bone soup in a sealed bronze cooking vessel near Xi'an in Northwest China. Because of oxidization, the soup turned green, but it was still in liquid form, and the bones were still floating on top [500x750] : ArtefactPorn
  • Chinese archaeologists unearth 2,400-year-old 'soup' - BBC News
  • Crystalline Preparation of Botulinum Toxin Type a (Botox): Degradation in Potency with Storage - Michael G. Gartlan, Henry T. Hoffman, 1993
  • Measuring the potency labelling of onabotulinumtoxinA (Botoxยฎ) and incobotulinumtoxinA (Xeominยฎ) in an LD50 assay | SpringerLink
  • Botox: A review - ProQuest
  • Chinese archaeologists soon to taste 2400-year-old soup and wine?
December 13, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Soup, Shelf life

235. Unheated Instant Hot Cocoa Powder

December 10, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating unheated instant hot cocoa powder.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • 43 Folders is not a prod-cast, it's just a good website
  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • 11th Microbial Challenge Workshop - 2021 - International Association for Food Protection
  • How to eat Ramen like a boss : comics
  • Nestlรฉ Recalls Chocolate Powder for Salmonella Risk | Food Safety News
  • I secretly like to eat hot chocolate powdered mix by itself right out of the packet. Reddit, what delicious food quirks are you ashamed of? : AskReddit
  • 47: Peanut Butter Fingering โ€” Risky or Not?
December 10, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Processed foods, Boiling water, Cocoa

234. Salmon at 43 ยฐF for 15 Hours

December 08, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of holding salmon at 43 ยฐF for 15 hours.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • When Is Hanukkah (Chanukah) Celebrated in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025? - Hanukkah Dates - Chanukah - Hanukkah
  • Risk of Growth and Toxin Production by Clostridium botulinum Nonproteolytic Types B, E, and F in Salmon Fillets Stored Under Modified Atmospheres at Low and Abused Temperatures | Journal of Food Protection
  • Conservative Prediction of Time to Clostridium botulinum Toxin Formation for Use with Time-Temperature Indicators To Ensure the Safety of Foods | Journal of Food Protection
December 08, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Salmon, Temperature abuse, Listeria, Clostridium botulinum

233. 100 Hour Lasagna

December 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating lasagna that is made over a 100 hour time period.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • White elephant - Wikipedia
  • Yankee Swap Rules โ€“
  • 100-Hour Lasagna - YouTube
December 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lasagna, Cooking, Extended preparation time

232. Eating Produce Stickers

December 03, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating produce stickers.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • (19) sjh_canada on Twitter: "@bugcounter https://t.co/88nt7VNjSB" / Twitter
  • Does It Matter if I Eat the Stickers on Fruits and Vegetables? - The New York Times
  • Natural-Light Labeling of Tomatoes Does Not Facilitate Growth or Penetration of Salmonella into the Fruit | Journal of Food Protection
  • 211. Kinder Surprise Eggs โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Amazon.com: 1,000 Safety Caution Warning Stickers This Product Contains Small Parts in Its Unassembled State. Adult Assembly is Required 1 Roll of 1.5" x 0.4" Adhesive Labels (Yellow Background/Black Text) : Baby
December 03, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Produce, Sticker, Physical hazard

231. Sโ€™mores Cooked on Pallet Wood

December 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from sโ€™mores cooked on wood from pallets of unknown composition.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Overview of Wood Preservative Chemicals | US EPA
  • https://www.srs.fs.usda.gov/pubs/ja/ja_mcmahon010.pdf
  • Are Wood Pallets Safe for Reuse Projects? It Depends - Earth911
  • Is my wood pallet safe for reuse - Learn how to know? โ€ข 1001 Pallets
  • Human exposure and internal dose assessments of acrylamide in food - ScienceDirect
  • Exposure to Acrylamide | SpringerLink
  • Acrylamide | FDA
December 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Toxicology, Smoke, Acrylamide
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