Risky or Not?

A short podcast about everyday risks from germs

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325. Ellens Dropped Water Bottle Lid

July 08, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking from a water bottle after the lid has been dropped on an airport carpet.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Longer Contact Times Increase Cross-Contamination of Enterobacter aerogenes from Surfaces to Food | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • 126th AFDO Annual Educational Conference – Association of Food and Drug Officials
  • Home - Raleigh-Durham International Airport
  • Eating food off the floor may be OK, scientist says - CNET
  • 401 unauthorized | Aston University press release can not be located
  • 298. Canadian Airport Toilet Vegetables — Risky or Not?
July 08, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, 5 second rule

324. Lemon Wedge in Your Drink

July 06, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming a beverage with a lemon wedge.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Josh Trebach, MD on Twitter: "do u love getting a refreshing lemon slice in ur drink when ur out at a restaurant? 🍋🥤 nearly 70% of restaurant lemon slices in one study were found to produce microbial growth (with 25 different microbial species being identified)" / Twitter
  • Josh Trebach, MD on Twitter: "possible culprits include contamination with fecal matter, raw meat, and in the case of yeast, oral/fecal/vaginal secretions contaminating fingertips of employees enjoy ur lemons!! ~follow me for more tips on how to ruin things people love~ https://t.co/4px8XANbhB" / Twitter
  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "PhD Food microbiologist here. Anyone want advice on medical toxicology or fixing stuff in the ER?" / Twitter
  • Bacteria on Lemon Slices - Dirty Lemon Wedges at Restaurants
  • Microbial Flora on Restaurant Beverage Lemon Slices
July 06, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Lemon, Citrus, Cross-contamination

OK, I know there's no pen, but it is American Independence Day. This is a shitty low resolution photo which kind of captures my patriotic spirit at the moment.

323. Stirring Your Coffee With a Hotel Pen

July 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of stirring your coffee with a hotel pen.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • AeroPress Coffee Maker Official Store
  • Urban Dictionary:Mann's Assumption
  • Association of Food and Drug Officials – Many perspectives, one voice, since 1896.
  • Home | Dutch Bros
  • House Paint | Interior & Exterior Paint Colors | Dutch Boy
July 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Mann's Assumption, Hotel, Cross-contamination, Coffee

322. Chickpeas in a Leaky Microwaveable Pouch

July 01, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming processed chickpeas in a leaky microwaveable pouch.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Amazon.com: Customer reviews: The Good Bean Heat & Eat Coconut Curry Chickpeas, 10 Ounce (Pack of 4), Yellow
  • Yellow Tadka Dal
  • Products – The Good Bean
  • Notes from the Field: Botulism Caused by Consumption of Commercially Produced Potato Soups Stored Improperly --- Ohio and Georgia, 2011
July 01, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Botulism, Low acid canned foods, Chickpeas

321. Promptly Refrigerated Baked Potato Wrapped in Foil

June 29, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating a cooked baked potato that has been wrapped in foil and promptly refrigerated.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Mary Kathrynn (@marydidyaknow) / Twitter
  • A large outbreak of botulism: the hazardous baked potato - PubMed
  • Production of Botulinum Toxin in Inoculated Pack Studies of Foil-Wrapped Baked Potatoes | Journal of Food Protection
  • Combined effect of water activity and pH on inhibition of toxin production by Clostridium botulinum in cooked, vacuum-packed potatoes | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • Roger Cook | LinkedIn
June 29, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Potato, Botulism

320. Nut Mylk

June 27, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cashew "Nut Mylk" based on an instagram recipe.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Sean Pendleton on Twitter: "https://t.co/aYSAgjpeYE @benjaminchapman @bugcounter Raw cashews, hemps seeds, and water to make non-dairy milk and “I’m still alive to talk about it” Risky or Not?" / Twitter
  • Erin Holt, Functional Medicine’s Instagram profile post: “🌟EZ peasy🌟 No soaking, no straining⁣ ⁣ Listen, I’ve been eating “this way” for a solid 15 years so I’ve got some tricks up my sleeve.⁣ ⁣…”
  • 126th AFDO Annual Educational Conference – Association of Food and Drug Officials
  • Organic Nut Butters recalled for possible Listeria risk | Food Safety News
June 27, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cashews, Nut milk

319. Five Hour Sun Pasta

June 24, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risk of eating sun pasta incubated for five hours.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • brunchwithbabs on Instagram: SUN ☀️ PASTA SAUCE 🍝 you’ll never make pasta in the summer the same again. Making this poolside at my daughters home! A family favorite ☀️…
  • Veronica (@squirrelchomp) / Twitter
  • What's all the fuss about San Marzano Tomatoes?? Aren't they just another Tomato? Can you tell me a bit about em please.
June 24, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Time as a public health control, Pasta

318. Eating a Shoe

June 22, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risk of eating a shoe.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Matt Patches on Twitter: "A decade ago I tweeted that if Top Gun 2 happened I would eat a shoe. No one has let me forget this ... including the folks at Paramount, who are quite excited for me to be wrong. Saving this for after the actual shoe (although I may already be in a coma). Check back Thursday. https://t.co/lUAMhaA1BC" / Twitter
  • Matt Patches on Twitter: "I should post this here out of social media due diligence right https://t.co/6aN9vXZbAQ" / Twitter
  • Michel Lotito - Wikipedia
  • Checkerboard Slip-On
  • Food Safety Talk 78: Brogues are low risk — Food Safety Talk
  • Just sous vided my shoes. I'm a genius! : sousvide
  • Fortunate Son | Do By Friday
June 22, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pica, Shoes

317. Preparing Food in a Bitchen

June 20, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of preparing food in a bitchen (combination bathroom/kitchen).

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Cholera has been eradicated everywhere but this house. #westvirginiacheck #zillowtastrophe #realestate
  • Norovirus Outbreak Traced to Reusable Grocery Bag
  • Lifting the lid on toilet plume aerosol: A literature review with suggestions for future research - PMC
  • Yes, Toilet Spray After You Flush Includes Poop Particles | SELF
June 20, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fecal plume, Cross-contamination, Norovirus

316. Using Cups to Scoop Water Out of a Shared Bowl

June 17, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using cups to scoop water out of a shared bowl when it's really hot out.

Dr. Don️ - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • chefcollinsevents on Twitter: "Helping someone do a event in city and we are using cups to scoop water out of this bowl to drink and we argued if #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter (I think it’s fine it’s 90degrees out) https://t.co/3bVatuAtHn" / Twitter
  • Detection of Norovirus in Saliva Samples from Acute Gastroenteritis Cases and Asymptomatic Subjects: Association with Age and Higher Shedding in Stool - PMC
  • Norovirus Outbreaks Reported to NoroSTAT, Figure | CDC
  • Did You Just Eat That?: Two Scientists Explore Double-Dipping, the Five ... - Paul Dawson, Brian Sheldon - Google Books
June 17, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Water, Cross-contamination, Norovirus, Saliva, Double dipping

315. Continuing to Eat a Jar of Recalled Jif Peanutbutter

June 15, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of continuing to eat from a jar of recalled Jif peanutbutter.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Food Safety Talk 263: Faraday Cage For The Voice — Food Safety Talk
  • Michelle Jewell on Twitter: "Ok a serious #riskyornot for @bugcounter and @benjaminchapman: If I have one of the recalled jiff jars, but I've already eaten 75% of it, can I keep it? https://t.co/Ic01PsZUgg https://t.co/wV2dd38AFX" / Twitter
  • The J. M. Smucker Co. Issues Voluntary Recall of Select Jif® Products Sold in the U.S. for Potential Salmonella Contamination | FDA
  • Prevalence and Level of Listeria monocytogenes in Ice Cream Linked to a Listeriosis Outbreak in the United States | Journal of Food Protection
  • Dose–response modeling of Salmonella using outbreak data - ScienceDirect
  • Actual distribution of Cronobacter spp. in industrial batches of powdered infant formula and consequences for performance of sampling strategies - ScienceDirect
  • Urban Dictionary: Sharkology
June 15, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Peanutbutter, Recall

314. Unrefrigerated Cut Watermelon Over Night

June 13, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating cut watermelon left unrefrigerated overnight

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Growth of Salmonella spp. in Cantaloupe, Watermelon, and Honeydew Melons | Journal of Food Protection
  • Effect of time before storage and storage temperature on survival of Salmonella inoculated on fresh-cut melons - ScienceDirect
  • Survival and Growth of Enterohemorrhagic Escherichia coli O157:H7 in Cantaloupe and Watermelon | Journal of Food Protection
  • Modeling the growth of Listeria monocytogenes on cut cantaloupe, honeydew and watermelon - ScienceDirect
  • Outbreaks Associated with Cantaloupe, Watermelon, and Honeydew in the United States, 1973–2011 | Foodborne Pathogens and Disease
June 13, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fruit, Fresh produce, Salmonella, Listeria, E. coli

313. Nibbling a Rhubarb Leaf

June 10, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of nibbling a rhubarb leaf.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: "Around this time each spring it's a thing now for a few voices to chirp up saying rhubarb leaves are okay to eat (screen capped here for instance a UC extension service master gardener, Kate Russell.) Have you ever weighed in on this @benjaminchapman @bugcounter ? https://t.co/CAgt4oUY34" / Twitter
  • Neighbourhood: The Beaches | Destination Toronto
  • Ingestion of rhubarb leaves as cause of oxalic acid poisoning.
  • The chemistry of edible rhubarb - Blundstone - 1964 - Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture - Wiley Online Library
  • 8 Foods High in Oxalates and Why You Should Avoid It
  • Are Rhubarb Leaves Toxic? | OSU Extension Service
  • "Death From Rhubarb Leaves Due to Oxalic Acid Poisoning" | Jama | JamaNetwork
  • Evaluation of Oxalate Concentration in the U.S. Spinach Germplasm Collection in: HortScience Volume 43 Issue 6 (2008)
  • An ode to rhubarb: Which grows plentifully in Washington and is a great crop for lazy gardeners | The Seattle Times

Don's bonus links

  • All About Tropical Tubers - How to Buy, Store, and Use Taro Root
  • Calcium oxalate - Wikipedia
June 10, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rhubarb, Oxalic acid

312. Months Old Stock Under Rendered Fat

June 08, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming refrigerated months old chicken stock under rendered fat.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Clostridium botulinum and the safety of refrigerated processed foods of extended durability - ScienceDirect
  • Low-sodium chicken stock - Mayo Clinic
June 08, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Botulism, Schmaltz, Chicken stock

311. River Pickles

June 06, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of canned pickles found in a river.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • I found a bunch of jars of pickles in a river and took one home, they were still sealed : Weird
  • Food Safety Talk 255: Crunchy Granola Hippie Town — Food Safety Talk
  • National Center for Home Food Preservation | How Do I? Store
  • The Stranger (album) - Wikipedia)
June 06, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pickles, Canning

310. Really Old Green Coffee Beans

June 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking coffee made from really old coffee beans.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Steve Lister on Twitter: "1930's green coffee beans roasted today? Is @jimseven going to end up in the hospital? @bugcounter @benjaminchapman #riskyornot https://t.co/DOAn7SqQLm" / Twitter
  • Drinking Harrods Coffee From the 1930s - YouTube
  • Joseph Lister - Wikipedia
  • 130. Drinking Civit Poop Coffee — Risky or Not?
  • Mycotoxins in Coffee | Journal of AOAC INTERNATIONAL | Oxford Academic
  • Sci-Hub | Mycotoxins in Coffee
June 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Coffee, Shelf-life, Mycotoxin, Mold

309. Adding Milk to Yogurt to Make More Yogurt

June 01, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of making yogurt by adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼
Dr. and Mrs. Danyluk - not risky 👍🏼

  • Protested game - Wikipedia
  • Landon Conover #Vaccinated on Twitter: "I don't know if this is really a thing, but for me, the more important canonical question is: Adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt, #RiskyOrNot? @bugcounter and @benjaminchapman" / Twitter
  • Yogurt, cultured fermented milk, and health: a systematic review | Nutrition Reviews | Oxford Academic
  • A 100-Year Review: Yogurt and other cultured dairy products - ScienceDirect
  • Creamy Homemade Yogurt Recipe - NYT Cooking
  • Modeling of the Competitive Growth of Listeria monocytogenes and Lactococcus lactis in Vegetable Broth | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • ComBase
June 01, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Yogurt, Milk, Fermentation, Lactic Acid Bacteria

Canadian content? ✔️

308. Two Day Trunk Cheese

May 30, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from pepper jack cheese left in a trunk for two days.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Kim Zetter on Twitter: "PSA: turns out you can (unintentionally) leave cheese in the trunk of your car for two days in 70-degree heat and it will still be good to eat (meaning, it won't make you sick). My contribution to gastronmical science. You're welcome." / Twitter
May 30, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cheese, Temperature abuse

307. Buffet Corndogs Brought From Home

May 27, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from corndogs brought from home placed on a buffet.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Frank Brown on Twitter: "Buffet corndogs with hard “exoskeleton” brought from home by other customers #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter https://t.co/dOCtmXxbxl" / Twitter

  • at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide - Twitter Search / Twitter

  • Food Safety Basics - Environmental Health

  • Homemade Corn Dogs Recipe (VIDEO) - NatashasKitchen.com

  • FSIS C. perfringens Risk Assessment Metrics Report

May 27, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Corndogs, Clostridium perfringens, Hand hygiene, Food from unsafe sources

306. Plant Based Deli Meat and Soft Cheeses for a Pregnant Woman

May 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of plant based deli meat and soft cheeses for a pregnant woman.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • ‎Brief Nut Milk Cheese Risk Analysis

  • Viability of Shiga Toxin–producing Escherichia Coli, Salmonella, and Listeria monocytogenes Within Plant Versus Beef Burgers During Cold Storage and Following Pan Frying | Journal of Food Protection

  • Listeria Found Inside Vegan Food Plant | Food Safety News

May 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Plant based foods, Listeria
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