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88. Mail Order Meat

January 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from ordering and eating mail order meat.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • David Sinclair on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Obviously this is not safe, but Iโ€™d be curious about your thoughts on mail order meat generally: โ˜ข๏ธ risky or ๐Ÿ‘ not?" / Twitter
  • https://rucore.libraries.rutgers.edu/rutgers-lib/42356/PDF/1/play/
  • Food Safety Challenges in the Modern Food Delivery World by Donald Schaffner โ€“ In Defense of Processed Food
  • Online Purveyors of Raw Meat, Poultry, and Seafood Products: Delivery Policies and Available Consumer Food Safety Information
  • Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 infections associated with nonintact blade-tenderized frozen steaks sold by door-to-door vendors - PubMed
January 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Meat, Mail order
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87. 27 Lbs of Unrefrigerated Feta Cheese

December 30, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating 27 lbs of unrefrigerated feta cheese.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Athenos Natural, Feta Cheese - 9 lb, Nutrition Information | Innit
  • Microbiological quality of whiteโ€brined cheeses: a review - Bintsis - 2002 - International Journal of Dairy Technology - Wiley Online Library
  • Storage Temperatures Necessary to Maintain Cheese Safety - International Association for Food Protection Storage Temperatures Necessary to Maintain Cheese Safety pdf
December 30, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Refrigeration, Feta, Cheese
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86. Thawing Poultry at Room Temperature

December 28, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of thawing poultry at room temperature.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Savana on Twitter: "@VectorSciNikki @benjaminchapman @bugcounter You guys can probably explain more eloquently than I can" / Twitter
  • Don Schaffner ๐Ÿฆ  on Twitter: "Room temperature thawing of frozen meat is an interesting topic that comes up from time to time. If you check all of the food safety advice websites they will tell you that it is not safe to do this. (1/18)" / Twitter
  • Staphylococcus aureus - Wikipedia
  • ComBase
December 28, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Poultry, Thawing, Temperature
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85. Doing a โ€œShoeyโ€

December 25, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of doing a โ€œshoeyโ€.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • The shoey: Why it's a bad idea to copy Daniel Ricciardo's F1 podium ritual - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
December 25, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Shoes, Shoey
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84. Aseptic Chicken Broth on the Counter for 2 Days

December 23, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using aseptic chicken broth on the counter for 2 days.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • (18) Glass Half Empty on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Help! I just discovered that I left an open Tetra Pak box of chicken broth on the counter for 2 days. Smells okay. Is it risky to use it or not? https://t.co/tiCODvC33p" / Twitter
  • The Effects of Heat Activation on Bacillus Spore Germination, with Nutrients or under High Pressure, with or without Various Germination Proteins | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
December 23, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Aseptic, Temperature, Temperature abuse
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83. Cannibal or Tiger Meat Sandwiches

December 21, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating cannibal or tiger meat sandwiches.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • (18) fedsoc sucks on Twitter: "Steak tartare but make it fucking stupid" / Twitter
  • Cannibal Sandwiches: A Polarizing And Misunderstood Wisconsin Tradition | Wisconsin Public Radio
  • Notes from the Field: Escherichia coli O157:H7 Outbreak Associated with Seasonal Consumption of Raw Ground Beef โ€” Wisconsin, December 2012โ€“January 2013
  • Welcome to CDC stacks |
  • Outbreak of Salmonella Serotype Typhimurium Infection Associated with Eating Raw Ground Beef -- Wisconsin, 1994
December 21, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Tiger Meat, Beef, Raw meat
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82. Peeling Clementines With Your Teeth

December 18, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of peeling clementines with your teeth.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Quantification of Transfer of Salmonella from Citrus Fruits to Peel, Edible Portion, and Gloved Hands during Hand Peeling | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
  • Coliforms, Escherichia coli and Salmonella Serovars Associated with a Citrus-Processing Facility Implicated in a Salmonellosis Outbreak | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
December 18, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Citrus, Peeling
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81. Shipping Pumpkin Pie

December 16, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of shipping pumpkin pie cross country.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Julie Weiss on Twitter: Love your show!!!Shipping a homemade frozen pumpkin pie cross-country overnight.
  • Evaluation and Definition of Potentially Hazardous Foods
  • Turns out it was Tiff, not Marco, Don regrets mis-speaking
  • Nick Fragedakis - Program Director and Acidified Foods Process Authority
  • Growth of Salmonella typhimurium and Staphylococcus aureus in Retail Pumpkin Pies1 | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
  • The Complex Underworld of Lost Baggage Delivery - Underunderstood
December 16, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Pumpkin Pie, Shelf stable
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80. Old canned soup

December 14, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating very old canned soup.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • (3) John Wyatt on Twitter: "@TorontoStar @parkdalefoodbnk @bugcounter @benjaminchapman - Risky or not?" / Twitter
  • โ€˜Iโ€™m just hungry.โ€™ Toronto man vows to eat 14-year-old can of soup in hopes of raising $10,000 for local food bank | The Star
  • Donate Now - Parkdale Community Food Bank
  • Can infant formula and baby food be used after the date expires?
  • Food Product Dating
  • Cuff The Duke - Confessions From A Parkdale Basement (Official Audio) - YouTube
  • Parkdale Community Food Bank on Instagram: โ€œHey guys, @liborio_verne here. I am eternally grateful for your support and enthusiasm out of what was essentially a joke. Together, weโ€ฆโ€
  • Food Safety Talk 196: Superintendent of Judges
  • Parkdale, Toronto - Wikipedia
December 14, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Shelf-life, Canned food
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79. Not Washing Sodastream Bottles

December 11, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risk of rinsing (not washing) your Sodastream bottles between uses.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • SodaStream Bottle Cleaning Tips -
  • Sodastream Zylinder selbst nachfรผllen
  • An overview of microorganisms and factors contributing for the microbial stability of carbonated soft drinks - ScienceDirect
  • Surface Sanitation and Microbiological Food Quality of a University Foodservice Operation - Buckalew - 1996 - Foodservice Research International - Wiley Online Library
December 11, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Soda, Bottle, Washing, Sodastream, Water
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78. Garlic Confit

December 09, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of storing homemade garlic confit in your refrigerator for months.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Confit | Definition of Confit by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Confit
  • Confit - Wikipedia
  • Justin Modugno on Twitter: "@bugcounter risky or not? https://t.co/7ShznsGBOi" / Twitter
  • Garlic-in-oil associated botulism: episode leads to product modification. | AJPH | Vol. 80 Issue 11
  • Current Food Safety Issues of Home-prepared Vegetables and Herbs Stored in Oil
  • Home Storage Temperatures and Consumer Handling of Refrigerated Foods in Sweden | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
  • Garlic: Safe Methods to Store, Preserve, and Enjoy
December 09, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Garlic, Botulism, Oil
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77. Takeout and COVID-19

December 07, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the COVID-19 risks from takeout food.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘

  • Welcome to FoodCoVNET | NC State Extension
  • Potential for foodborne transmission Covid-19: ยป Meat Industry Association
  • (3) Don Schaffner ๐Ÿฆ  on Twitter: "Hey folks, @LexFri asks a great question.
  • Turning This Car Around
December 07, 2020 /Don Schaffner
COVID-19, Takeout Food

76. Eating Every Dry Aged Meat

December 04, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating every dry aged meat.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘

  • I Dry Aged EVERY Meat, ATE them and this happened! - YouTube
  • Fortunate Son | Do By Friday
  • UMAi Dry Ribeye Striploin Premium Dry Age Bags for Meat | Dry Aging Meat Kit for Refrigerator | Simple at Home Method | Packet Includes 3 UMAi Dry Bags Sized for Ribeye and Striploin Steaks: Home Improvement
  • Survival of Salmonella on cuts of beef carcasses subjected to dry aging - Knudsen - 2011 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Survey of Antimicrobial Effects of Beef Carcass Intervention Treatments in Very Small Stateโ€Inspected Slaughter Plants - Algino - 2007 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • 34: Thawing Frozen Fish in Vacuum Packed Bag โ€” Risky or Not?
December 04, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Meat, Dry Aging
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75. Restaurant Baked Potato Skins

December 02, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating restaurant baked potato skins.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Large Outbreak of Botulism: The Hazardous Baked Potato | The Journal of Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic
  • Gritty (mascot) - Wikipedia)
December 02, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Baked Potato, Grit
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74. Canned Whipped Cream 14 Months Past Best by Date

November 30, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming canned whipped cream 14 months past it's best by date.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Eric B on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Canned whipped cream (like Reddi-wip) kept in the fridge for 20 months (14 months past best by date). Fridge is kept at 38ยฐF and had a themometer part of the time. #RiskyOrNot" / Twitter
  • Reddi-wip
  • Whippet - Wikipedia
  • Whipped-cream charger - Wikipedia
November 30, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Whipped Cream, Expiration dates
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73. Preparing Poultry and Just Using Hand Sanitizer

November 27, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks when preparing poultry and just using hand sanitizer.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Jon Kimble on Twitter: "When preparing poultry, and you don't have soap and water available (?!) just use sanitizer... what do you think? @bugcounter @benjaminchapman @mbbatz https://t.co/2Ye77tpG4A" / Twitter
  • Management of Risk of Microbial Cross-Contamination from Uncooked Frozen Hamburgers by Alcohol-Based Hand Sanitizer | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
  • SaniTwice: a novel approach to hand hygiene for reducing bacterial contamination on hands when soap and water are unavailable - PubMed
  • Efficacy of Instant Hand Sanitizers against Foodborne Pathogens Compared with Hand Washing with Soap and Water in Food Preparation Settings: A Systematic Review | Journal of Food Protection | Allen Press
November 27, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Poultry, Hand sanitizer
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72. Old Fruit Cake

November 25, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of old fruit cake.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • 141-year-old fruitcake is a Michigan family's heirloom - News - Ionia Sentinel - Standard-Ionia, MI - Ionia, MI
  • Intermediate Moisture Foods - ScienceDirect
  • Fruitcake โ€“ Will it Last Forever? | NC State News
  • Icebox Fruitcake And Why Christmas Trees Don't Have to be Green - Southern Bite
  • World's Best Fruit Cake (Moist Fruit Cake Recipe) A Beautiful Plate
November 25, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Fruitcake
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71. Toilet Milky Way

November 23, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating toilet Milky Way.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Milky Way (chocolate bar) - Wikipedia)
  • Reese's Peanut Butter Cups - Wikipedia
  • Amazon.com: Dr. Seuss & Mr. Geisel: A Biography (9780306807367): Morgan, Judith, Morgan, Neil: Books
  • Dr. Seuss Books Can Be Racist, But We Still Keep Reading Them : Code Switch : NPR
November 23, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Toilet, Chocolate, Candy
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70. Waterglassing Eggs for Room Temperature Storage

November 20, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of waterglassing eggs for room temperature storage.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Experimentally Killing Salmonella typhimurium on Egg Shells by Washing - ScienceDirect
  • (10) Facebook
  • Water Glassing Eggs for Long-Term Storage - Backyard Poultry
  • https://www.fsis.usda.gov/shared/PDF/SE_Risk_Assess_Oct2005.pdf
  • 39: Chapman's Backyard Poultry โ€” Risky or Not?
  • โ€˜The Mandalorianโ€™ Season 2, Episode 2 Review: Chapter 10โ€”The Passenger | IndieWire
November 20, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Eggs, Salmonella, Waterglassing
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69. Licking a Chocolate Statue

November 18, 2020 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of licking a chocolate statue.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Watch in horror as people lick and bite a chocolate Benedict Cumberbatch statue
  • Veronica Bryant (@NoroNerd) / Twitter
  • Vomiting Device Offers First Direct Evidence That Vomit Aerosolizes Norovirus-Like Particles | NC State News
November 18, 2020 /Don Schaffner
Chocolate, Ice Statues, Licking
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