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194. Eating the Green Stuff From a Lobster

September 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating that green stuff from lobsters.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • To Eat or Not to Eat: Lobster Tomalley | Cook's Illustrated
  • Food Safety Talk 226: So I've Got That Goin' for Me โ€” Food Safety Talk
  • Panera Bread Is Now Selling Lobster Rolls
  • The Massachusetts Bay industrial waste site: A preliminary survey...
September 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lobster, Tomalley, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning
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193. Undercooked Meat With a Low Level of a Pathogen Incubating in a Mouth for 12 Hours

September 05, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from having undercooked meat with a low level of a pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Jason Folsterโ˜ฃ๏ธ on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter Hopefully not but sure. Undercooked meat with a low level of pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours. This conversation makes me want to floss IMMEDIATELY. ๐Ÿคข" / Twitter
  • 188. Reused Chewing Gum โ€” Risky or Not?
  • In silico analysis of the competition between Streptococcus sanguinis and Streptococcus mutans in the dental biofilm - Valdebenito - 2018 - Molecular Oral Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Oral Infection by Staphylococcus Aureus in Patients Affected by White Sponge Nevus: A Description of Two Cases Occurred in the Same Family
  • Nosocomial Infections - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
  • Opportunistic infection - Wikipedia

Bonus Content: we had to delay our recording by a couple of days because Ben blew out his voice coaching hockey. As bonus content to all our listeners I want to share this delightful clip that Ben was kind enough to record.

September 05, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Oral microbiology
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192. Defrosting a Turkey in a Hot Tub

September 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of defrosting a turkey in a hot tub.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • chris ernt on Twitter: "Hey @bugcounter, defrosting a turkey in a hot tub, risky or not?" / Twitter
  • Should You Use Chlorine or Bromine to Sanitize Your Hot Tub? - pHin
  • How To Cook a Completely Frozen Turkey for Thanksgiving | Kitchn
  • Let's Talk Turkeyโ€”A Consumer Guide to Safely Roasting a Turkey | Food Safety and Inspection Service
  • Consumer Food Handling Recommendations: Is thawing of turkey a food safety issue?
September 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Defrosting, Hot tub
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191. Whole Veggies and Raw Meat in a Home Refrigerator at 50ยฐF for Four Days *

August 30, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating whole veggies and raw meat in a home refrigerator at 50ยฐF for four days

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

* Please listen to the entire episode, lots of necessary equivocation.

  • Comprehensive evaluation of temperatures within home refrigerators
  • Emergency Action Plan for Retail Food Establishment | Conference-Developed Guides and Documents | Conference for Food Protection
  • Consumer Home Refrigeration Practices: Results of a Web-Based Survey | Journal of Food Protection
  • ComBase
  • Validation of Mathematical Models for Salmonella Growth in Raw Ground Beef under Dynamic Temperature Conditions Representing Loss of Refrigeration | Journal of Food Protection
  • The Big Lebowski (1998) - IMDb
August 30, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Raw meat, Refrigeration, Temperature

190. Fried Chicken at Room Temperature for 4 Hours

August 27, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating fried chicken held at room temperature for 4 hours.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • ComBase
  • FSIS Compliance Guideline for Stabilization (Cooling and Hot-Holding) of Fully and Partially Heat-Treated RTE and NRTE Meat and Poultry Products Produced by Small and Very Small Establishments and Revised Appendix B June 2017 Compliance Guideline | Food Safety and Inspection Service
August 27, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Room temperature, Fried chicken, Clostridium perfringens
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189. Epoxy Hotdog

August 25, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a hotdog encased in epoxy for months.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Home of the epoxy hotdog, for all your epoxy hotdog needs!
  • Putting A Whole Hot Dog In Epoxy Resin | DIY Epoxy Resin Art - YouTube
  • 10 month epoxy hot dog update!
  • Microbiological safety of processed meat products formulated with low nitrite concentration โ€” A review
  • Epoxy: A Complete Guide - Copps Industries
August 25, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Epoxy, Hot dogs, Clostridium botulinum
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188. Reused Chewing Gum

August 23, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of reusing chewing gum.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour (On the Bedpost Overnight?) - Wikipedia)
  • โ€ข U.S.: consumption of chewing gum / bubble gum 2020 | Statista
  • E: Water Activity Values of Select Food Ingredients and Products - Water Activity in Foods - Wiley Online Library
  • Staphylococci in the oral flora of healthy children and those receiving treatment for malignant disease
  • The wasted chewing gum bacteriome - PubMed
  • Quantification and qualification of bacteria trapped in chewed gum - PubMed
  • Gum Wall - Wikipedia
August 23, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Staphylococcus, Gum, Oral microbiology
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187. Recalled Listeria Muffins

August 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating muffins recalled due to environmental contamination by Listeria monocytogenes.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Veronica on Twitter: even MUFFINS are risky?!
  • Muffins Sold At Evanston Sam's Club Recalled Due To Listeria | Evanston, IL Patch
  • Give and Go Prepared Foods (U.S.A.) Corp. Conducts Voluntary Recall of Certain Muffin Products Due to Possible Health Risk | FDA
  • Give and Go Prepared Foods photos
  • Food Safety Talk 242: Invisible Poop Particles
  • Listeria monocytogenes Dose Response Revisited
August 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Muffins, Listeria monocytogenes, Recall
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186. Barehanded Lemon Slices in Drinks at a Bar

August 18, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a drink where the bartender has handled lemon slices with their bare hands.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Transfer of Escherichia Coli to Lemons Slices and Ice during Handling - Journal of Food Research
  • Survival and Growth of Salmonella and Shigella on Sliced Fresh Fruit | Journal of Food Protection
  • Survival of Salmonella on Lemon and Lime Slices and Subsequent Transfer to Beverages - International Association for Food Protection
  • Microbial flora on restaurant beverage lemon slices - PubMed
  • Is the lemon slice in your G&T harbouring bacteria? - Biomaster Protected | Blog
August 18, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lemon slice, Citrus, Bare hand contact
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185. Tamago Kake Gohan

August 16, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of tamago kake gohan (cooking an egg with hot rice).

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Note that Don says โ€œnot riskyโ€ at 5:58, but from the context itโ€™s clear he means โ€œriskyโ€, which he later confirms. Thanks to listener Nimoy for pointing this out.

  • Tamago Kake Gohan Recipe - Love and Lemons
  • 31: Rice Left in a Warming Rice Cooker Over Night โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Parameters for Determining Inoculated Pack/Challenge Study Protocolsโ€ ,โ€ก | Journal of Food Protection
  • eggs - Risky or Not?
  • "Letterkenny" Crack An Ag (TV Episode 2019) - IMDb
August 16, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Egg, Rice, Salmonella
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184. Cooked Tapioca at Room Temperature Overnight

August 14, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooked tapioca left at room temperature overnight.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Jennifer on Twitter: Instruction for (many brands of) tapioca pearls say after boiling for 20 mins, to remove the pot from the stove and let it rest on the counter overnight and then bring to a boil again in the morning Is this unsafe?
  • Watch Jensplaining | Prime Video
  • Tapioca - Wikipedia
  • How to Store Tapioca Pearls (Boba) - Cooked & Uncooked - HighKitchenIQ
  • Moisture sorption isotherms of fufu and tapioca at different temperatures - ScienceDirect
  • Survival and Growth of Foodborne Pathogens during Cooking and Storage of Oriental-Style Rice Cakes | Journal of Food Protection
  • Small Pearl Tapioca :: Bob's Red Mill Natural Foods
  • How To Cook White Tapioca Pearls (Step by Step) - Hungry Huy
August 14, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Tapioca, Bacillus cereus, Room temperature
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183. Wine Bottles From Flooded Areas

August 11, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from drinking wine submerged in flood waters.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: Are these wines safe?
  • Ahr (wine region) - Wikipedia)
  • Food safety before and after a flood - Safe Food & Water
  • Floods: Key Tips for Consumers About Food and Water Safety | FDA
  • The Pros & Cons of Different Wine Closures | Wine Enthusiast Magazine
August 11, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Flood, Wine, Bottles
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182. Dashboard Cookies

August 09, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risk of making making cookies on the dashboard of a car.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Andrew H on Twitter
  • An Assessment of Time/Temperature Combinations for Salmonella Lethality Achieved when Baking Cookies in Vehicles (IAFP 2016 Annual Meeting)
  • Starch Gelatinization in the Presence of Emulsifiers. A Morphological Study of Wheat Starch
  • Thermal Inactivation of Salmonella on Sesame-topped Bread during Baking Using High and Low Oven Humidity
  • A Thermal Process Lethality Model for Low Water Activity Food
  • Validation of Baking to Reduce Coliform Counts and Salmonella in Cookie Dough
  • Low water activity refrigerated cookie dough - Google Patents
August 09, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Dashboard, Cookies, Salmonella, E. coli, Flour, Eggs
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181. Reusing Marinade

August 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of reusing marinade.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • marinade | Partnership for Food Safety Education
  • Ask FSIS: Can you reuse meat marinade?
August 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Marinade, Meat
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180. Stinky Sous Vide

August 04, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating stinky sous vide.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • How To Prevent A Bad Smell With Long And Low Sous-Vide Cooks โ€“ Stefan's Gourmet Blog
  • Heat resistance of Desulfotomaculum nigrificans spores in soy protein infant formula preparations
  • Food Safety Talk 79: Youโ€™re Into Botulism Country (with Merlin Mann) โ€” Food Safety Talk
  • Effects of a novel three-step sous-vide cooking and subsequent chilled storage on the microbiota of beef steaks - ScienceDirect
  • https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/import/Salmonella-Compliance-Guideline-SVSP-RTE-Appendix-A.pdf
August 04, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Clostridium, Sulfur, Sous vide
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179. Downy Mildew Basil Pesto

August 02, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating pesto made with basil infected with downy mildew.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Fresh Basil Pesto Recipe
  • Downy Mildew on Basil | University of Maryland Extension
  • Downy mildew disease promotes the colonization of romaine lettuce by Escherichia coli O157:H7 and Salmonella enterica
August 02, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Basil, Pesto, Downy Mildew, Mycotoxins
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178. Old Sprouted Potatoes

July 30, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating old sprouted potatoes.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Are Sprouted Potatoes Safe?
  • Potato glycoalkaloids and adverse effects in humans: an ascending dose study - ScienceDirect
  • Horrific Tales of Potatoes That Caused Mass Sickness and Even Death | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian Magazine
  • Is It Safe to Eat a Potato That Has Sprouted? | North Carolina Cooperative Extension
  • Potatoes . . . when to toss? โ€ข AnswerLine โ€ข Iowa State University Extension and Outreach
July 30, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Potatoes, Glycoalkaloids
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177. Porch Eggs

July 28, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating eggs cooked on your porch using only the heat of the sun.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Don Schaffner ๐Ÿฆ  on Twitter: "@mrssoup @benjaminchapman Based only on the appearance of the egg Iโ€™m gonna say #NotRisky" / Twitter
  • Cooking eggs in Oregon right now
  • Portland sets all-time record high temperature | KOIN.com
  • Why Do Egg Whites Turn White When You Cook Them? | NC State News
July 28, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Eggs, Salmonella, Heat, Portland
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176. Beer Brewed With Hockey Ice

July 26, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking beer brewed with hockey ice.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Coors Light is making the first beer made with the actual ice the Stanley Cup Final was played on
  • A KISS Comic Was Inked With The Band's BLOOD (Seriously)
  • I Like Beer by Tom T Hall - YouTube
  • Hereโ€™s Brett Kavanaugh Mentioning Beer During His Senate Hearing - YouTube
  • 10 Gross Things People Used To Make Craft Beer - Oddee
  • Zamboni (song) - Wikipedia)
  • Mycotoxins in artisanal beers
July 26, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Hockey, Beer, Mycotoxins
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175. Drinking From the Bathroom Tub

July 23, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from drinking from the bathroom tub.

Dr. Don - nicht riskant ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - riskant โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Impact of prescribed cleaning and disinfectant use on microbial contamination in the home - Medranoโ€Fรฉlix - 2011 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Microbiological Hazards of Household Toilets: Droplet Production and the Fate of Residual Organisms | Applied Microbiology
  • Toilet hygieneโ€”review and research needs - Abney - - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Bathroom-stored grocery bag fingered in norovirus outbreak | CIDRAP
July 23, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Toilet aerosols, Bathrooms, Water, Tubs
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