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201. Bug in Your Margarita

September 22, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of a big bug landing in your huge Margarita.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • The GIANT Margarita Glasses Were Almost Enough To Save Natasha & Dr. Joe
  • Quantitative Analysis of Houseflies-mediated Food Contamination with Bacteria
  • Why a female fly will ruin your drink, but a male is fine | New Scientist
  • The scent of the fly | bioRxiv
September 22, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Bugs, Alcohol

200. Unrefrigerated Breads That Contain Inclusions

September 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of unrefrigerated breads that contain inclusions (e.g. some focaccia breads).

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Kathleen Turner - Wikipedia
  • Hart Schaffner Marx
  • William Schaffner, M.D. | Department of Health Policy
  • Parameters for Determining Inoculated Pack/Challenge Study Protocolsโ€ ,โ€ก | Journal of Food Protection
  • Sausage Balls Recipe | MyRecipes
  • Focaccia - Wikipedia
September 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Focaccia bread, Sausage balls, Challenge studies
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199. Exploding Strawberry Jars

September 17, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from storing sealed mason jars of washed strawberries in the refrigerator.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Merch โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Kevin Budnik
  • Pruno: A Recipe for Botulism | Botulism | CDC
  • FoodKeeper App | FoodSafety.gov
  • Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on fresh and frozen strawberries
  • Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on Fresh Blueberries (Vaccinium corymbosum) Stored under Controlled Atmosphere and Ozone
  • ComBase Models Are Valid for Predicting Fate of Listeria monocytogenes on 10 Whole Intact Raw Fruits and Vegetables | Journal of Food Protection
September 17, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Fruit, Strawberries, Blueberries, Refrigerator
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198. Endless Pickles

September 15, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of reusing pickle brine to make more pickles.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Sarah Sorscher on Twitter: "Endless pickles, #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter ?" / Twitter
  • trash jones on Twitter: "when i finish a jar of pickles i cut up a cucumber and put the slices back in the jar until they pickle too. i call this endless pickles" / Twitter
  • That Leftover Pickling Brine | Preserving Food at Home
September 15, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pickles, Cucumbers
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197. Raw Meat Sashimi

September 13, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating raw chicken meat sashimi.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Benjamin Schrager on Twitter: "My paper on raw chicken in Japan just got published!! Risky but Raw: On (Not) Regulating One of the Most High-Risk Dishes in Japan Thank you to @Gastronomica for the smooth process and reviewers for their insightful feedback. https://t.co/2mp9FpESDo" / Twitter
  • Risky but Raw | Gastronomica | University of California Press
  • Assessment of the dose-response relationship of Campylobacter jejuni - PubMed
September 13, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Raw Meat, Chicken, Sashimi
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196. Raw Eggo Waffles

September 10, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating raw frozen Eggo waffles.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • (Ryan Dlugosz on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman I always assumed frozen waffles were ready to eat (see pic). Is it #riskyornot to eat them frozen? Fwiw Iโ€™m not a monster and I always lightly toast mineโ€ฆ but one of the kids prefers them frozen! https://t.co/o6PLdlVwYC" / Twitter
  • Kellogg Co. recalls Eggo waffles after routine test shows Listeria | Food Safety News
  • Food Safety Talk 12: Dueling Experts โ€” Food Safety Talk
  • Is Kellogg clueless about food safety? Public relations? | barfblog
  • 'Stranger Things' caused an Eggo boom. Now sales are waffling
  • Siracusa on Toasters โ€” Liss is More
  • Sunbeam 4 Slice Extra-wide Slot Toaster - Black Tssbtr4sbk : Target
September 10, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Frozen Waffles, Listeria
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195. Dishwasher Salmon

September 08, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating salmon cooked in a dishwasher.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Dishwasher salmon - Wikipedia
  • Roasted Salmon | Partnership for Food Safety Education
  • Dishwasher Cooking: Make Your Dinner While Cleaning The Plates : The Salt : NPR
  • FSIS Salmonella Compliance Guidelines for Small and Very Small Meat and Poultry Establishments that Produce Ready-to-Eat (RTE) Products and Revised Appendix A | Food Safety and Inspection Service
  • A method to evaluate factors influencing the microbial reduction in domestic dishwashers - Brands - 2020 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Vincent Price on Johnny Carson - Cooking Segment - Nov, 21, 1975 - YouTube
  • The Joy of Dishwasher Cooking | Mental Floss
September 08, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Salmon, Dishwasher
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194. Eating the Green Stuff From a Lobster

September 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating that green stuff from lobsters.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • To Eat or Not to Eat: Lobster Tomalley | Cook's Illustrated
  • Food Safety Talk 226: So I've Got That Goin' for Me โ€” Food Safety Talk
  • Panera Bread Is Now Selling Lobster Rolls
  • The Massachusetts Bay industrial waste site: A preliminary survey...
September 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lobster, Tomalley, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning
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193. Undercooked Meat With a Low Level of a Pathogen Incubating in a Mouth for 12 Hours

September 05, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from having undercooked meat with a low level of a pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Jason Folsterโ˜ฃ๏ธ on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter Hopefully not but sure. Undercooked meat with a low level of pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours. This conversation makes me want to floss IMMEDIATELY. ๐Ÿคข" / Twitter
  • 188. Reused Chewing Gum โ€” Risky or Not?
  • In silico analysis of the competition between Streptococcus sanguinis and Streptococcus mutans in the dental biofilm - Valdebenito - 2018 - Molecular Oral Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Oral Infection by Staphylococcus Aureus in Patients Affected by White Sponge Nevus: A Description of Two Cases Occurred in the Same Family
  • Nosocomial Infections - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
  • Opportunistic infection - Wikipedia

Bonus Content: we had to delay our recording by a couple of days because Ben blew out his voice coaching hockey. As bonus content to all our listeners I want to share this delightful clip that Ben was kind enough to record.

September 05, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Oral microbiology
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192. Defrosting a Turkey in a Hot Tub

September 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of defrosting a turkey in a hot tub.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • chris ernt on Twitter: "Hey @bugcounter, defrosting a turkey in a hot tub, risky or not?" / Twitter
  • Should You Use Chlorine or Bromine to Sanitize Your Hot Tub? - pHin
  • How To Cook a Completely Frozen Turkey for Thanksgiving | Kitchn
  • Let's Talk Turkeyโ€”A Consumer Guide to Safely Roasting a Turkey | Food Safety and Inspection Service
  • Consumer Food Handling Recommendations: Is thawing of turkey a food safety issue?
September 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Defrosting, Hot tub
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191. Whole Veggies and Raw Meat in a Home Refrigerator at 50ยฐF for Four Days *

August 30, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating whole veggies and raw meat in a home refrigerator at 50ยฐF for four days

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

* Please listen to the entire episode, lots of necessary equivocation.

  • Comprehensive evaluation of temperatures within home refrigerators
  • Emergency Action Plan for Retail Food Establishment | Conference-Developed Guides and Documents | Conference for Food Protection
  • Consumer Home Refrigeration Practices: Results of a Web-Based Survey | Journal of Food Protection
  • ComBase
  • Validation of Mathematical Models for Salmonella Growth in Raw Ground Beef under Dynamic Temperature Conditions Representing Loss of Refrigeration | Journal of Food Protection
  • The Big Lebowski (1998) - IMDb
August 30, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Raw meat, Refrigeration, Temperature

190. Fried Chicken at Room Temperature for 4 Hours

August 27, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating fried chicken held at room temperature for 4 hours.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • ComBase
  • FSIS Compliance Guideline for Stabilization (Cooling and Hot-Holding) of Fully and Partially Heat-Treated RTE and NRTE Meat and Poultry Products Produced by Small and Very Small Establishments and Revised Appendix B June 2017 Compliance Guideline | Food Safety and Inspection Service
August 27, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Room temperature, Fried chicken, Clostridium perfringens
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189. Epoxy Hotdog

August 25, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a hotdog encased in epoxy for months.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Home of the epoxy hotdog, for all your epoxy hotdog needs!
  • Putting A Whole Hot Dog In Epoxy Resin | DIY Epoxy Resin Art - YouTube
  • 10 month epoxy hot dog update!
  • Microbiological safety of processed meat products formulated with low nitrite concentration โ€” A review
  • Epoxy: A Complete Guide - Copps Industries
August 25, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Epoxy, Hot dogs, Clostridium botulinum
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188. Reused Chewing Gum

August 23, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of reusing chewing gum.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour (On the Bedpost Overnight?) - Wikipedia)
  • โ€ข U.S.: consumption of chewing gum / bubble gum 2020 | Statista
  • E: Water Activity Values of Select Food Ingredients and Products - Water Activity in Foods - Wiley Online Library
  • Staphylococci in the oral flora of healthy children and those receiving treatment for malignant disease
  • The wasted chewing gum bacteriome - PubMed
  • Quantification and qualification of bacteria trapped in chewed gum - PubMed
  • Gum Wall - Wikipedia
August 23, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Staphylococcus, Gum, Oral microbiology
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187. Recalled Listeria Muffins

August 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating muffins recalled due to environmental contamination by Listeria monocytogenes.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Veronica on Twitter: even MUFFINS are risky?!
  • Muffins Sold At Evanston Sam's Club Recalled Due To Listeria | Evanston, IL Patch
  • Give and Go Prepared Foods (U.S.A.) Corp. Conducts Voluntary Recall of Certain Muffin Products Due to Possible Health Risk | FDA
  • Give and Go Prepared Foods photos
  • Food Safety Talk 242: Invisible Poop Particles
  • Listeria monocytogenes Dose Response Revisited
August 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Muffins, Listeria monocytogenes, Recall
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186. Barehanded Lemon Slices in Drinks at a Bar

August 18, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a drink where the bartender has handled lemon slices with their bare hands.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Transfer of Escherichia Coli to Lemons Slices and Ice during Handling - Journal of Food Research
  • Survival and Growth of Salmonella and Shigella on Sliced Fresh Fruit | Journal of Food Protection
  • Survival of Salmonella on Lemon and Lime Slices and Subsequent Transfer to Beverages - International Association for Food Protection
  • Microbial flora on restaurant beverage lemon slices - PubMed
  • Is the lemon slice in your G&T harbouring bacteria? - Biomaster Protected | Blog
August 18, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lemon slice, Citrus, Bare hand contact
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185. Tamago Kake Gohan

August 16, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of tamago kake gohan (cooking an egg with hot rice).

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

Note that Don says โ€œnot riskyโ€ at 5:58, but from the context itโ€™s clear he means โ€œriskyโ€, which he later confirms. Thanks to listener Nimoy for pointing this out.

  • Tamago Kake Gohan Recipe - Love and Lemons
  • 31: Rice Left in a Warming Rice Cooker Over Night โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Parameters for Determining Inoculated Pack/Challenge Study Protocolsโ€ ,โ€ก | Journal of Food Protection
  • eggs - Risky or Not?
  • "Letterkenny" Crack An Ag (TV Episode 2019) - IMDb
August 16, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Egg, Rice, Salmonella
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184. Cooked Tapioca at Room Temperature Overnight

August 14, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooked tapioca left at room temperature overnight.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Jennifer on Twitter: Instruction for (many brands of) tapioca pearls say after boiling for 20 mins, to remove the pot from the stove and let it rest on the counter overnight and then bring to a boil again in the morning Is this unsafe?
  • Watch Jensplaining | Prime Video
  • Tapioca - Wikipedia
  • How to Store Tapioca Pearls (Boba) - Cooked & Uncooked - HighKitchenIQ
  • Moisture sorption isotherms of fufu and tapioca at different temperatures - ScienceDirect
  • Survival and Growth of Foodborne Pathogens during Cooking and Storage of Oriental-Style Rice Cakes | Journal of Food Protection
  • Small Pearl Tapioca :: Bob's Red Mill Natural Foods
  • How To Cook White Tapioca Pearls (Step by Step) - Hungry Huy
August 14, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Tapioca, Bacillus cereus, Room temperature
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183. Wine Bottles From Flooded Areas

August 11, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from drinking wine submerged in flood waters.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: Are these wines safe?
  • Ahr (wine region) - Wikipedia)
  • Food safety before and after a flood - Safe Food & Water
  • Floods: Key Tips for Consumers About Food and Water Safety | FDA
  • The Pros & Cons of Different Wine Closures | Wine Enthusiast Magazine
August 11, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Flood, Wine, Bottles
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182. Dashboard Cookies

August 09, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risk of making making cookies on the dashboard of a car.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Andrew H on Twitter
  • An Assessment of Time/Temperature Combinations for Salmonella Lethality Achieved when Baking Cookies in Vehicles (IAFP 2016 Annual Meeting)
  • Starch Gelatinization in the Presence of Emulsifiers. A Morphological Study of Wheat Starch
  • Thermal Inactivation of Salmonella on Sesame-topped Bread during Baking Using High and Low Oven Humidity
  • A Thermal Process Lethality Model for Low Water Activity Food
  • Validation of Baking to Reduce Coliform Counts and Salmonella in Cookie Dough
  • Low water activity refrigerated cookie dough - Google Patents
August 09, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Dashboard, Cookies, Salmonella, E. coli, Flour, Eggs
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