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210. Air cooled hard boiled eggs at room temperature

October 13, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from air cooled hard boiled eggs stored at room temperature.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

October 13, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Eggs, Hardboiled eggs, Room temperature storage
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209. Cooking a Thawed Turkey Meant to Cooked From Frozen

October 11, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating a cooked turkey that's been thawed, when it was meant to be cooked from frozen.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

October 11, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Thawing, Cooking
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208. Not Washing Coffee Making Devices

October 08, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from not washing coffee making devices.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • IAFP Foundation - International Association for Food Protection
  • AeroPress - Official Store, Replacement Parts And Recipes
  • Coffee and spent coffee extracts protect against cell mutagens and inhibit growth of food-borne pathogen microorganisms - ScienceDirect
October 08, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Coffee, Washing, Rinsing
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207. Using Sticks for Roasting Marshmallows

October 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of using sticks for roasting marshmallows.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • Food Safety Talk 246: Use Clean Sticks β€” Food Safety Talk
  • Safe Plates Food Safety (@safeplatesfsic) TikTok | Watch Safe Plates Food Safety's Newest TikTok Videos
  • Fate of Listeria monocytogenes in Fresh Apples and Caramel Apples - PubMed
  • Appendix E: Water Activity Values of Select Food Ingredients and Products - Water Activity in Foods - Wiley Online Library
October 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Marshmallows, Sticks, Wood
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206. Bubbling Pickles

October 04, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks posed by pickles that bubble during room temperature fermentation.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • National Center for Home Food Preservation | How Do I? Pickle
  • Ball Blue Book Guide to Preserving: Altrista Consumr Products: 0797190001428: Amazon.com: Books
  • Understanding and Making Kimchi – Food Smart Colorado
  • Determination of 5-Log Reduction Times for Food Pathogens in Acidified Cucumbers during Storage at 10 and 25Β°C - Journal of Food Protection
October 04, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pickles, Fermentation, Room temperature, Carbon dioxide
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205. Apple Pie on the Counter for Days

October 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of leaving a baked apple pie on the counter for days.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Shelf Life and Safety Concerns of Bakery Productsβ€”A Review: Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition: Vol 44, No 1
  • Homemade Apple Pie - Best Recipe for Apple Pie
  • Home - Texas Cottage Food Law
  • https://www.fda.gov/files/food/published/Evaluation-and-Definition-of-Potentially-Hazardous-Foods.pdf
  • Comparison of NSF and ABA Protocols to Determine Whether a Food Requires Time/Temperature Control for Safety - 2003 - Comprehensive Reviews in Food Science and Food Safety - Wiley Online Library
  • USDA pie fillings, fruit, prepared
  • An Outbreak of Gastrointestinal Disturbance Following the Eating of Chocolate Cream Pie | NEJM
October 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pie, Room temperature, Water activity
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204. Extra Blue, Blue Cheese

September 29, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating old extra blue, blue cheese.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • National Sportsball Association League | Sportsball | Know Your Meme
  • Blue cheese - Wikipedia
  • Modeling the growth of Listeria monocytogenes in mold-ripened cheeses - ScienceDirect
  • Blue Cheese Crumbles - Emporium Selection | ALDI US
September 29, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Blue cheese, Bleu cheese, Mold
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203. Homemade Cashew Cheese

September 27, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating homemade cashew cheese.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • Outbreak Investigation of Salmonella: Jule's Cashew Brie (April 2021) | FDA
  • Nick Dawson on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman got one for ya. I'm vegan & very into fermenting. Been experimenting with cashew-based blue cheese. Starts by using acidophilus to kick start the cashew cream, then penicillium roqueforti. 6 weeks in fridge. Mine has some pinkish hues. Risky or not? https://t.co/7OqE57pFCA" / Twitter
  • Outbreak of S. Weltevreden linked to fermented cashew nut cheese in Victoria, BC
  • Nutritional, Microbial, and Allergenic Changes during the Fermentation of Cashew β€˜Cheese’ Product Using a Quinoa-Based Rejuvelac Starter Culture
  • Gastroenteritis Outbreak Associated with Unpasteurized Tempeh, North Carolina, USA
  • Fermentation of Aqueous Plant Seed Extracts by Lactic Acid Bacteria | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
September 27, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Nuts, Cheese, Cashew cheese, Fermentation
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202. Mailing Fruit and Vegetable Infused Tequila

September 24, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of shipping Fruit and Vegetable Infused Tequila through the mail.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • IAFP Foundation - International Association for Food Protection
  • Effect of Ethanol on the Growth of Clostridium botulinum | Journal of Food Protection
  • Growth/no growth interfaces of Bacillus cereus, Staphylococcus aureus and Salmonella enteritidis in model systems based on water activity, pH, temperature and ethanol concentration - ScienceDirect
  • How to Science Your Way to Better Spirit Infusions | PUNCH
  • About Us - PUNCH
  • How to Infuse Oils, Vinegars, Liquor or Honey (Without Making People Barf) | NC State News
  • FEMA GRAS assessment of natural flavor complexes: Origanum oil, thyme oil and related phenol derivative-containing flavoring ingredients - ScienceDirect
September 24, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Tequila, Alcohol, Infusion, Fruit

201. Bug in Your Margarita

September 22, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of a big bug landing in your huge Margarita.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • The GIANT Margarita Glasses Were Almost Enough To Save Natasha & Dr. Joe
  • Quantitative Analysis of Houseflies-mediated Food Contamination with Bacteria
  • Why a female fly will ruin your drink, but a male is fine | New Scientist
  • The scent of the fly | bioRxiv
September 22, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Bugs, Alcohol

200. Unrefrigerated Breads That Contain Inclusions

September 20, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of unrefrigerated breads that contain inclusions (e.g. some focaccia breads).

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • Kathleen Turner - Wikipedia
  • Hart Schaffner Marx
  • William Schaffner, M.D. | Department of Health Policy
  • Parameters for Determining Inoculated Pack/Challenge Study Protocols†,‑ | Journal of Food Protection
  • Sausage Balls Recipe | MyRecipes
  • Focaccia - Wikipedia
September 20, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Focaccia bread, Sausage balls, Challenge studies
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199. Exploding Strawberry Jars

September 17, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from storing sealed mason jars of washed strawberries in the refrigerator.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Merch β€” Risky or Not?
  • Kevin Budnik
  • Pruno: A Recipe for Botulism | Botulism | CDC
  • FoodKeeper App | FoodSafety.gov
  • Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on fresh and frozen strawberries
  • Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on Fresh Blueberries (Vaccinium corymbosum) Stored under Controlled Atmosphere and Ozone
  • ComBase Models Are Valid for Predicting Fate of Listeria monocytogenes on 10 Whole Intact Raw Fruits and Vegetables | Journal of Food Protection
September 17, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Fruit, Strawberries, Blueberries, Refrigerator
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198. Endless Pickles

September 15, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of reusing pickle brine to make more pickles.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Sarah Sorscher on Twitter: "Endless pickles, #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter ?" / Twitter
  • trash jones on Twitter: "when i finish a jar of pickles i cut up a cucumber and put the slices back in the jar until they pickle too. i call this endless pickles" / Twitter
  • That Leftover Pickling Brine | Preserving Food at Home
September 15, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Pickles, Cucumbers
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197. Raw Meat Sashimi

September 13, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating raw chicken meat sashimi.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Benjamin Schrager on Twitter: "My paper on raw chicken in Japan just got published!! Risky but Raw: On (Not) Regulating One of the Most High-Risk Dishes in Japan Thank you to @Gastronomica for the smooth process and reviewers for their insightful feedback. https://t.co/2mp9FpESDo" / Twitter
  • Risky but Raw | Gastronomica | University of California Press
  • Assessment of the dose-response relationship of Campylobacter jejuni - PubMed
September 13, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Raw Meat, Chicken, Sashimi
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196. Raw Eggo Waffles

September 10, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating raw frozen Eggo waffles.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • (Ryan Dlugosz on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman I always assumed frozen waffles were ready to eat (see pic). Is it #riskyornot to eat them frozen? Fwiw I’m not a monster and I always lightly toast mine… but one of the kids prefers them frozen! https://t.co/o6PLdlVwYC" / Twitter
  • Kellogg Co. recalls Eggo waffles after routine test shows Listeria | Food Safety News
  • Food Safety Talk 12: Dueling Experts β€” Food Safety Talk
  • Is Kellogg clueless about food safety? Public relations? | barfblog
  • 'Stranger Things' caused an Eggo boom. Now sales are waffling
  • Siracusa on Toasters β€” Liss is More
  • Sunbeam 4 Slice Extra-wide Slot Toaster - Black Tssbtr4sbk : Target
September 10, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Frozen Waffles, Listeria
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195. Dishwasher Salmon

September 08, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating salmon cooked in a dishwasher.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • Dishwasher salmon - Wikipedia
  • Roasted Salmon | Partnership for Food Safety Education
  • Dishwasher Cooking: Make Your Dinner While Cleaning The Plates : The Salt : NPR
  • FSIS Salmonella Compliance Guidelines for Small and Very Small Meat and Poultry Establishments that Produce Ready-to-Eat (RTE) Products and Revised Appendix A | Food Safety and Inspection Service
  • A method to evaluate factors influencing the microbial reduction in domestic dishwashers - Brands - 2020 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Vincent Price on Johnny Carson - Cooking Segment - Nov, 21, 1975 - YouTube
  • The Joy of Dishwasher Cooking | Mental Floss
September 08, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Salmon, Dishwasher
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194. Eating the Green Stuff From a Lobster

September 06, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating that green stuff from lobsters.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • To Eat or Not to Eat: Lobster Tomalley | Cook's Illustrated
  • Food Safety Talk 226: So I've Got That Goin' for Me β€” Food Safety Talk
  • Panera Bread Is Now Selling Lobster Rolls
  • The Massachusetts Bay industrial waste site: A preliminary survey...
September 06, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Lobster, Tomalley, Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning
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193. Undercooked Meat With a Low Level of a Pathogen Incubating in a Mouth for 12 Hours

September 05, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from having undercooked meat with a low level of a pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Jason Folster☣️ on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter Hopefully not but sure. Undercooked meat with a low level of pathogen incubating in a mouth for 12 hours. This conversation makes me want to floss IMMEDIATELY. 🀒" / Twitter
  • 188. Reused Chewing Gum β€” Risky or Not?
  • In silico analysis of the competition between Streptococcus sanguinis and Streptococcus mutans in the dental biofilm - Valdebenito - 2018 - Molecular Oral Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Oral Infection by Staphylococcus Aureus in Patients Affected by White Sponge Nevus: A Description of Two Cases Occurred in the Same Family
  • Nosocomial Infections - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
  • Opportunistic infection - Wikipedia

Bonus Content: we had to delay our recording by a couple of days because Ben blew out his voice coaching hockey. As bonus content to all our listeners I want to share this delightful clip that Ben was kind enough to record.

September 05, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Oral microbiology
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192. Defrosting a Turkey in a Hot Tub

September 01, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of defrosting a turkey in a hot tub.

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

  • chris ernt on Twitter: "Hey @bugcounter, defrosting a turkey in a hot tub, risky or not?" / Twitter
  • Should You Use Chlorine or Bromine to Sanitize Your Hot Tub? - pHin
  • How To Cook a Completely Frozen Turkey for Thanksgiving | Kitchn
  • Let's Talk Turkeyβ€”A Consumer Guide to Safely Roasting a Turkey | Food Safety and Inspection Service
  • Consumer Food Handling Recommendations: Is thawing of turkey a food safety issue?
September 01, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Turkey, Defrosting, Hot tub
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191. Whole Veggies and Raw Meat in a Home Refrigerator at 50Β°F for Four Days *

August 30, 2021 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating whole veggies and raw meat in a home refrigerator at 50Β°F for four days

Dr. Don - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ
Professor Ben - not risky πŸ‘πŸΌ

* Please listen to the entire episode, lots of necessary equivocation.

  • Comprehensive evaluation of temperatures within home refrigerators
  • Emergency Action Plan for Retail Food Establishment | Conference-Developed Guides and Documents | Conference for Food Protection
  • Consumer Home Refrigeration Practices: Results of a Web-Based Survey | Journal of Food Protection
  • ComBase
  • Validation of Mathematical Models for Salmonella Growth in Raw Ground Beef under Dynamic Temperature Conditions Representing Loss of Refrigeration | Journal of Food Protection
  • The Big Lebowski (1998) - IMDb
August 30, 2021 /Don Schaffner
Raw meat, Refrigeration, Temperature
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