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801. Letting Your Drunk Partner Cook Raw Chicken While You Prepare a Fresh Salad in a Small Kitchen

July 23, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of preparing a salad in a small kitchen while your drunk partner cooks raw chicken.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • About Campylobacter infection | Campylobacter | CDC
  • Salmonella Infection | Salmonella Infection | CDC
  • Chicken and Food Poisoning | Food Safety | CDC
July 23, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Drunk, Chicken, Salad

The actual photo of the soup in question

800. Linda's Vichyssoise

July 21, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from consuming a very old swollen can of soup linked to a company that caused a botulism outbreak in 1971.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Marvin Tung Student Case Competition | CIFST
  • Marvin Tung - UBC Library Open Collections
  • Spoilage of Canned Foods - Food Microbiology: Principles into Practice - Wiley Online Library
  • Tainted Soup Laid to Poor Heating - The New York Times
  • Bon Vivant Voluntarily Recalls All Vichyssoise From Dealers - The New York Times
  • Botulism Information | County of Monterey, CA
July 21, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Vichyssoise, Botulism, Swollen can, Canned food

This image shows a refrigerator shelf with four labeled bottles of breast milk and three sealed storage bags neatly stacked. The containers are marked with volume measurements, and a breast pump part is placed nearby. The scene is clean, organized, and well-lit, emphasizing safe and tidy milk storage.

799. Combining Breastmilk Collected in Shells Over Three Days to Feed a Healthy Infant

July 18, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of collecting breastmilk in shells over three days to feed to a healthy infant.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Milk Collection Breast Shells | Medela
  • Breast Milk Storage Questions and Answers | Breastfeeding | CDC
  • CDC Storage and Preparation of Breast Milk
  • April Fogleman | Food, Bioprocessing and Nutrition Sciences
July 18, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Breastmilk, Breast shells, Cross-contamination

A man in a white fencing jacket stands in a warm, wood-toned kitchen making pancakes. He holds a spatula in one hand and a proper épée with a large bell guard in the other. A plate of pancakes and jars of sourdough starter sit on the counter beside him.

798. Dave's Pancakes From Old Sourdough Leftovers

July 16, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of making pancakes from old sourdough leftovers.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Home | Cornell Fencing
  • Épée - Wikipedia
  • sourdough - Risky or Not?
  • What is sourdough? An in-depth guide to sourdough technology for bakers - My German Table
  • The pH Of Sourdough Bread: The Significance of Acidity - Busby's
  • Effect of Staphylococcus aureus Contamination on the Microbial Diversity and Metabolites in Wholewheat Sourdough - PMC


July 16, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Sourdough, Pancakes, Leftovers

A Canadian man in a red maple leaf cap slyly slips two plastic forks, tines down, into his jeans pocket inside a colorful Mexican chain restaurant. He looks around nervously, framed by a neon cactus sign and a bright menu board in the background.

797. Ben's Pants Pocket Forks

July 14, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of putting plastic forks in your pants pocket for later use.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

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  • Menu - In-N-Out Burger
  • Stroopwafel - Wikipedia
  • Best fries in Amsterdam? : r/Amsterdam
  • Michael Stipe - Wikipedia
July 14, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Forks, Pockets

An open white cooler sits on the ground, filled with raw chicken pieces. A digital thermometer inserted into one piece reads 67°F. There’s no ice inside, and the cooler appears stained and weathered, suggesting it’s been sitting outdoors for a while during a camping trip.

796. Raw Chicken That Is at 67 °F After More Than 12 Hours

July 11, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating properly cooked chicken that warmed up to 67 °F after about 12 hours prior to cooking.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • ComBase
  • FSIS Cooking Guideline for Meat and Poultry Products (Revised Appendix A) December, 2021
  • Risk Assessment Predicts Most of the Salmonellosis Risk in Raw Chicken Parts is Concentrated in Those Few Products with High Levels of High-Virulence Serotypes of Salmonella - ScienceDirect
  • Dr. Matthew Stasiewicz – Stasiewicz Food Safety Laboratory
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July 11, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Chicken, Time temperature control for safety food, Camping

A fried egg sizzles in a cast iron skillet filled with dark bacon or sausage grease. The yolk is vibrant and intact, surrounded by bubbly whites. In the background, a small jar of congealed grease sits on a beige cloth, suggesting long-term room temperature storage.

795. Cooking in Bacon and/or Sausage Grease Stored Room Temperature for Up to 30 Days

July 09, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from cooking in bacon and/or sausage grease stored room temperature for up to 30 days.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Blackshore (TV Series 2024– ) - IMDb
  • Current Food Safety Issues of Home-prepared Vegetables and Herbs Stored in Oil
  • Risky or Not?
  • Bacon Method
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July 09, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Bacon, Sausage, Grease, Time temperature control for safety food

A hotel breakfast buffet features a large stainless steel vat filled with lumpy oatmeal. A sign above reads “COMMUNITY VAT OF OATMEAL MADE EARLIER THAT DAY.” Surrounding the vat are stacked plates, bagels in a wire rack, glass cups, and coffee dispensers, creating a utilitarian yet oddly inviting scene.

794. Cold-Ish, Prepared Oatmeal From a Community Vat Made Earlier That Day

July 07, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating cold-ish, prepared oatmeal from a community vat made earlier that day.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Tears in rain monologue - Wikipedia
  • 766. Room Temperature Overnight Oats — Risky or Not?
  • Bacterial Pathogens and Indicators in Oats - April 1, 2018 to March 31, 2020 - inspection.canada.ca
  • Marriott International’s World-Class Recipe for Safe, Great Foods | Food Safety
July 07, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Oatmeal, Time temperature control for safety food, Temperature

Peeled, hard-boiled eggs are submerged in water inside a fixed, built-in compartment of a refrigerator. The clear container appears seamlessly integrated into the fridge’s molded interior. A wire shelf sits above, and the eggs are uniformly packed, creating a sterile, institutional feel typical of a chain hotel appliance.

793. Peeled, Hardboiled Eggs Stored Immersed in Water in the Fridge at a Chain Hotel

July 04, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating peeled, hardboiled eggs stored immersed in water in the fridge at a chain hotel.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Vivian Howard - Wikipedia
  • How to Make Perfect Hard-Boiled Eggs | The Food Lab
  • 2019 Outbreak of Listeria Infections Linked to Hard-boiled Eggs | Outbreak of Listeria Infections Linked to Hard-boiled Eggs | December 2019 | Listeria | CDC
  • 2019 Outbreak of Listeria Infections Linked to Hard-boiled Eggs - Timeline | Outbreak of Listeria Infections Linked to Hard-boiled Eggs | December 2019 | Listeria | CDC
  • Almark Foods Expanded Recall to all Products from its Georgia Facility Due to Possible Listeria monocytogenes Contamination | FDA
July 04, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Eggs, Hardboiled eggs, Hotel, Water, Cross-contamination

A filthy sponge sits in a shallow pool of murky water on a glass turntable inside a heavily soiled microwave. The sponge is stained with dark grime, and the microwave's interior is covered in splatters and residue, creating an overall impression of neglect and uncleanliness.

792. Microwaving Your Kitchen Sponges

July 04, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from microwaving your kitchen sponges.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Home | The Ohio State University
  • Rutgers University
  • NCSU-Freshmen 1889 - North Carolina State University - Wikipedia
  • What's the meaning of IIRC? : r/EnglishLearning
  • Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species | Scientific Reports
  • Stop Microwaving Your Dirty Sponges | The Kitchn
  • Effective household disinfection methods of kitchen sponges - ScienceDirect
  • (PDF) Bacteriological analysis of cellulose sponges and loofahs in domestic kitchens from a developing country
  • Microwave sparks for no reason? : r/fixit
  • Amazon.com: DDGEAA Steel Wool Scrub Sponges Kitchen, Reusable Dish Scrubber Sponge, for Pots, Pans, Gentle and Scratch Free - 12 Pack Black : Health & Household


July 04, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Sponges, Cross-contamination, Microwaving

A filthy sponge sits in a shallow pool of murky water on a glass turntable inside a heavily soiled microwave. The sponge is stained with dark grime, and the microwave's interior is covered in splatters and residue, creating an overall impression of neglect and uncleanliness.

792. Microwaving Your Kitchen Sponges

July 02, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from microwaving your kitchen sponges.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Home | The Ohio State University
  • Rutgers University
  • NCSU-Freshmen 1889 - North Carolina State University - Wikipedia
  • What's the meaning of IIRC? : r/EnglishLearning
  • Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species | Scientific Reports
  • Stop Microwaving Your Dirty Sponges | The Kitchn
  • Effective household disinfection methods of kitchen sponges - ScienceDirect
  • (PDF) Bacteriological analysis of cellulose sponges and loofahs in domestic kitchens from a developing country
  • Microwave sparks for no reason? : r/fixit
  • Amazon.com: DDGEAA Steel Wool Scrub Sponges Kitchen, Reusable Dish Scrubber Sponge, for Pots, Pans, Gentle and Scratch Free - 12 Pack Black : Health & Household
July 02, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Sponges, Cross-contamination, Microwaving

A rustic loaf of sourdough bread is studded with dried fruit and wrapped in a kraft paper label that reads: “FRUIT SOURDOUGH – HANDMADE IN MY HOME – FARMERS MARKET.” It sits on burlap, evoking a cozy, artisanal feel typical of a farmers market setting.

791. Sourdough With Fruit Inclusions at a Farmer's Market From a Home Processor in NY

June 30, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from sourdough bread with fruit inclusions at a farmer's market from a home processor in NY.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

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  • ELI5 what does working close to the metal mean? : r/explainlikeimfive
  • Home Processing | Agriculture and Markets
  • Home Processing | Agriculture and Markets
  • Frequently Asked Questions
  • Parameters for Determining Inoculated Pack/Challenge Study Protocols
  • Evaluation and Definition of Potentially Hazardous Foods
  • Katie Swanson | LinkedIn
June 30, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Bread, Sourdough, Inclusions, pH, Water activity, Cottage food, Farmers market

A realistic rocking-horse mascot in a “ROCKERS” jersey sits on a stadium bench, eating popcorn. The costume features lifelike horse details and hoof-like hands. A sunny ballgame crowd fills the background, capturing a playful yet convincing scene of mascot fun during a baseball game.

790. Eating From a Bag of Popcorn After Hype the Mascot Has “Eaten” From It

June 27, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating from a bag of popcorn that a sports team mascot has touched with their costumed hand,

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • High Point Rockers | Baseball Team | Mascot HYPE
  • High Point Rockers Mascot on Facebook
  • Salmonella Oranienburg Isolated from Horses, Wild Turkeys and An Edible Home Garden Fertilized with Raw Horse Manure - Jay‐Russell - 2014 - Zoonoses and Public Health - Wiley Online Library
  • An analysis of human pathogens found in horse/mule manure along the John Muir Trail in Kings Canyon and Sequoia and Yosemite National Parks - PubMed


June 27, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Mascot, Costume, Popcorn

A young man crouches on an astroturf field, licking a fake cupcake placed inside a chocolate-sprinkled inflatable donut. His eyes are closed, and he appears focused on the playful act. The scene is brightly lit, with the vibrant colors of the donut and cupcake contrasting the green synthetic grass.

789. Licking a Fake Cupcake That Has Been Repeatedly Tossed Into an Inflatable Donut on an Astroturf Field

June 25, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from licking a fake cupcake that has been repeatedly tossed into an inflatable donut on an astroturf field.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

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  • High Point Rockers | Baseball Team
  • 686. Eating an Egg Fried on Astroturf — Risky or Not?
  • "TOXIC TURF" — Safe Healthy Playing Fields
  • Toxicity/Carcinogens — Safe Healthy Playing Fields
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  • Liars - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
  • In My Mind on X: "“Mmm…. Donuts.” - Homer Simpson https://t.co/MTIO4S4woE" / X


June 25, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Cupcake, Astroturf

Actual image from Reddit post.

788. 5-Year-Old Homemade Vanilla Extract From Reddit

June 23, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming 5-year-old homemade vanilla extract as shown on reddit.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Forgot I made this vanilla extract 5 years ago. Still good? : r/Baking
  • Mold on Vanilla Beans - Moldy Vanilla or Bean Crystals Vanillin Crystals? | Madagascar Vanilla Company
  • How To Say Vanillin - YouTube
  • Control of food spoilage fungi by ethanol - ScienceDirect
  • How to Make Vanilla Extract from Vanilla Beans (Homemade Vanilla) – Vanilla Bean Kings
June 23, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Vanilla extract, Homemade, Mold, Reddit

A square image shows an opened glass jar of mayonnaise sitting on a wooden pantry shelf. The mayo appears discolored and crusty around the rim, suggesting spoilage. The dim lighting and aged wood add to the sense of neglect and food safety concern.

787. Mayonnaise From a Recently Opened Jar Kept in a Cabinet Less Than a Week

June 20, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from a jar of mayonnaise that was opened and then accidentally left at room temperature for less than a week

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Microbiological Safety of Mayonnaise, Salad Dressings, and Sauces Produced in the United States: A Review - ScienceDirect
  • Review: Fate of pathogens in home-made mayonnaise and related products - ScienceDirect
  • An Assessment of Escherichia coli O157:H7 Contamination Risks in Commercial Mayonnaise from Pasteurized Eggs and Environmental Sources, and Behavior in Low-pH Dressings - ScienceDirect
  • A Review of Temperature, pH, and Other Factors that Influence the Survival of Salmonella in Mayonnaise and Other Raw Egg Products
  • Models for the Inactivation of Foodborne Pathogens in Salad Dressing from Challenge Studies - ScienceDirect
  • Mayonnaise - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
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June 20, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Mayonnaise, Time temperature control for safety food

A grimy, yellowed salad spinner sits on a worn wooden surface. Its translucent plastic walls are stained with residue and dirt, suggesting years of use without proper cleaning. The lid and handle are similarly discolored, giving the entire object a neglected, unhygienic appearance.

786. Never Washing the Salad Spinner

June 18, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from never washing your salad spinner with soap and water.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

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  • Biosafety Challenges for the Food Microbiology Laboratory - Montville - 2012 - Journal of Food Safety - Wiley Online Library
  • Federal Indifference to Laboratory-Acquired Infections
  • 230. Un-cleanable Salad Spinners — Risky or Not?
  • Performance of a manually operated salad spinner centrifuge for serum separation in the healthy domestic horse (Equus caballus) and southern white rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum) - Cassady - 2023 - Veterinary Clinical Pathology - Wiley Online Library
  • Observations of Consumer Salad Preparation


June 18, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Cross-contamination, Salad spinner, Soap, Washing

A man with wavy hair and a beard eats fried chicken at a wooden table in a repurposed restroom. Behind him are visible urinals and a toilet, set against retro green tile walls. The scene is warmly lit, blending quirky discomfort with a casual, oddly content dining atmosphere.

785. Fried Chicken From a Old Public Restroom in a State Park

June 16, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating fried chicken from a from a public restroom in a state park that has been converted into a restaurant.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Belle Isle - The Chicken Coupe
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June 16, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Chicken, Restroom, Plan review

A bunch of ripe red grapes hangs from a vine twisted through a chain-link fence. Behind it, a foggy graveyard lies near the intersection of two busy highways. Blurred headlights and drifting smoke from traffic lend an eerie, polluted atmosphere to the otherwise quiet, somber scene.

784. Eating Major Intersection Grapes

June 13, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from grapes grown at the intersection of two 4 lane highways.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Risks Assessment of Heavy Metal Pollution in Roadside Soil and Vegetation of National Highway Crossing through Industrial Area | Environmental Processes
  • Effect of a Highway's Traffic on the Level of Lead and Cadmium in Fruits and Vegetables Grown Along the Roadsides - Igwegbe - 1992 - Journal of Food Safety - Wiley Online Library
  • Lead in soils and plants: its relation to traffic volume and proximity to highways | Environmental Science & Technology
  • Contamination of agricultural soil by urban and peri-urban highways: An overlooked priority? - ScienceDirect
  • Risks Assessment of Heavy Metal Pollution in Roadside Soil and Vegetation of National Highway Crossing through Industrial Area | Environmental Processes
  • Captured Water, Carbon Dioxide From Car Exhaust Could Help Grow Food – Texas A&M Stories
  • I live right off of a busy freeway - it safe to consume garden produce? : r/UrbanGardening
  • How Safe is it, Really, to Eat Food Grown in an Urban Garden? - Modern Farmer
  • Chemical Contamination Pathways and the Food Safety Implications along the Various Stages of Food Production: A Review - PMC
June 13, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Grapes, Toxicology, Cross-contamination, Heavy metals

A large, square glass jar of chimichurri sits on a kitchen counter. The contents appear separated and discolored, with dark settling at the bottom and faded herbs suspended in oil. The lid is rusted and stained, suggesting the sauce has been sitting out far too long.

783. Homemade Chimichurri Left at Room Temperature for Months

June 11, 2025 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating homemade chimichurri left at room temperature for months.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

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June 11, 2025 /Don Schaffner
Chimichurri, Botulism, Garlic in oil
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