Risky or Not?

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310. Really Old Green Coffee Beans

June 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking coffee made from really old coffee beans.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Steve Lister on Twitter: "1930's green coffee beans roasted today? Is @jimseven going to end up in the hospital? @bugcounter @benjaminchapman #riskyornot https://t.co/DOAn7SqQLm" / Twitter
  • Drinking Harrods Coffee From the 1930s - YouTube
  • Joseph Lister - Wikipedia
  • 130. Drinking Civit Poop Coffee โ€” Risky or Not?
  • Mycotoxins in Coffee | Journal of AOAC INTERNATIONAL | Oxford Academic
  • Sci-Hub | Mycotoxins in Coffee
June 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Coffee, Shelf-life, Mycotoxin, Mold

309. Adding Milk to Yogurt to Make More Yogurt

June 01, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of making yogurt by adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Dr. and Mrs. Danyluk - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Protested game - Wikipedia
  • Landon Conover #Vaccinated on Twitter: "I don't know if this is really a thing, but for me, the more important canonical question is: Adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt, #RiskyOrNot? @bugcounter and @benjaminchapman" / Twitter
  • Yogurt, cultured fermented milk, and health: a systematic review | Nutrition Reviews | Oxford Academic
  • A 100-Year Review: Yogurt and other cultured dairy products - ScienceDirect
  • Creamy Homemade Yogurt Recipe - NYT Cooking
  • Modeling of the Competitive Growth of Listeria monocytogenes and Lactococcus lactis in Vegetable Broth | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • ComBase
June 01, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Yogurt, Milk, Fermentation, Lactic Acid Bacteria

Canadian content? โœ”๏ธ

308. Two Day Trunk Cheese

May 30, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from pepper jack cheese left in a trunk for two days.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Kim Zetter on Twitter: "PSA: turns out you can (unintentionally) leave cheese in the trunk of your car for two days in 70-degree heat and it will still be good to eat (meaning, it won't make you sick). My contribution to gastronmical science. You're welcome." / Twitter
May 30, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cheese, Temperature abuse

307. Buffet Corndogs Brought From Home

May 27, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from corndogs brought from home placed on a buffet.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • Frank Brown on Twitter: "Buffet corndogs with hard โ€œexoskeletonโ€ brought from home by other customers #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter https://t.co/dOCtmXxbxl" / Twitter

  • at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide - Twitter Search / Twitter

  • Food Safety Basics - Environmental Health

  • Homemade Corn Dogs Recipe (VIDEO) - NatashasKitchen.com

  • FSIS C. perfringens Risk Assessment Metrics Report

May 27, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Corndogs, Clostridium perfringens, Hand hygiene, Food from unsafe sources

306. Plant Based Deli Meat and Soft Cheeses for a Pregnant Woman

May 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of plant based deli meat and soft cheeses for a pregnant woman.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • โ€ŽBrief Nut Milk Cheese Risk Analysis

  • Viability of Shiga Toxinโ€“producing Escherichia Coli, Salmonella, and Listeria monocytogenes Within Plant Versus Beef Burgers During Cold Storage and Following Pan Frying | Journal of Food Protection

  • Listeria Found Inside Vegan Food Plant | Food Safety News

May 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Plant based foods, Listeria

305. Uncovered Trash Cans in Womenโ€™s/Unisex Bathrooms

May 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks posed by feminine hygiene products in uncovered trash cans in womenโ€™s/unisex bathrooms.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

May 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bathroom, Trash can, Feminine hygiene products

304. Steve's Green Beef Pastrami

May 20, 2022 by Don Schaffner

little bits of green that have been cut off.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Steve Lister on Twitter: "Making beef pastrami. Brining for about 12 days (Brine calc in link). Took ribs out to smoke and has two small tips were out of the brine and were green. About 2mm circle each that I cut off. Still safe after smoking to 203F? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter https://t.co/QjRjHMdGrk" / Twitter
  • The Science Of Curing Meats Safely
  • Mechanism Underlying Green Discolouration of Myoglobin Induced by Atmospheric Pressure Plasma - PMC
  • The color of meat depends on myoglobin: Part 1 - MSU Extension
  • Does Color Change Mean the Product is Spoiled?
May 20, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pastrami, Curing, Green meat

303. Eight Pounds of Pad Thai Leftovers

May 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eight pounds of pad thai leftovers brought home from a work event.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • K Brooke Golisch, MD on Twitter: "Hypothetically if one took home an approximately 8 lb tin of leftover pad thai from a work event on Thursday, what would the latest possible day one could eat it and probably not get sick?" / Twitter
  • Don Schaffner ๐Ÿฆ  on Twitter: "@BrooketheOstomy What are the dimensions of the tin?" / Twitter
  • Jacobsen's Danish Butter Cookies | World Market
  • 15 cups to liters
May 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Leftovers, Cooling

302. Reheating Food in a Microwave

May 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from reheating food in a microwave.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • A computer vision method to locate cold spots in foods in microwave sterilization processes - ScienceDirect
  • Variability in temperature distribution and cooking properties of ground pork patties containing different fat level and with/without salt cooked by microwave energy - ScienceDirect
  • Cooking with Microwave Ovens | Food Safety and Inspection Service
May 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Heating, Leftovers, Microwave

301. "Canning" Without "Cooking"

May 13, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from some weird recipes from 1918.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Dave Arnold on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter No heat no acid canning? I know this is risky. My question is, is there any way this could possibly be safe? โ€œCanning Without Cookingโ€ from American Cookery (formerly Boston Cooking School Mag)June/July 1918. https://t.co/Z0dcl1Bqg1" / Twitter
  • Thermal Resistance of Spores from pH, Elevating Strains of Bacillus licheniformis - MONTVILLE - 1981 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • Inherent Variability in the Efficacy of the USDA Rawโ€Pack Process for Homeโ€Canned Tomatoes - MONTVILLE - 1983 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • 293. Low Volume Lasagna at Olive Garden โ€” Risky or Not?
May 13, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Canning, pH, Sugar, Water activity

300. Washing Your Toilet Seat in Your Dishwasher

May 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of washing your toilet seat in your dishwasher.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Jen (@jmac0825) TikTok | Watch Jen's Newest TikTok Videos
  • 294. Hand Washing Raw Meat Dishes โ€” Risky or Not?
  • A method to evaluate factors influencing the microbial reduction in domestic dishwashers - Brands - 2020 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Hygiene in Commercial Dishwashing โ€“ A Review about the State of Knowledge in Research, Standardization, Regulation and Market Information
  • https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/publications/documents/Appendi3.pdf
May 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Dishwasher, Toilet

299. Rihanna's Ocean Dipped Mangos

May 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating Rihanna's ocean dipped mangos.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Michelle Jewell on Twitter: "@gabgonebad #riskyornot? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter" / Twitter
  • Ingestion of swimming pool water by recreational swimmers | Journal of Water and Health | IWA Publishing
  • The coastal environment and human health: microbial indicators, pathogens, sentinels and reservoirs | Environmental Health | Full Text
  • Pregnant Travelers - Chapter 7 - 2020 Yellow Book | Travelers' Health | CDC
  • โ€˜Our Water Supply is being Managed like a Rumshopโ€™: Water Governance in Barbados: Social and Environmental Accountability Journal: Vol 31, No 2
May 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Seawater, Mangoes, Cross-contamination

298. Canadian Airport Toilet Vegetables

May 06, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating vegetables found in a Canadian airport toilet.

Dr. Don - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Mysterious toilet vegetables shock travellers at Toronto's Pearson Airport
  • bury the lede - Wiktionary
  • Found a toilet full of vegetables at Pearson International Airport : mildlyinteresting
May 06, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Canada, Toilet, Airport, Vegetables

297. Poultry Cooked to 150 ยฐF (Plus Carryover)

May 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooking poultry to 150 ยฐF plus carryover heating.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • How to Check If Your Turkey's Cooked to the Right Temperature
  • USDA FSIS Appendix A

While searching for show art, Don came across the page linked below. This provides a more quantitative assessment, but does not change the overall conclusions.

  • The Science of Carryover Cooking: What Happens After You Cook |
May 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cooking, Poultry, Temperature

296. Pastor Pinkston's Putrid (?) Pork

May 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of Pastor Pinkston's pork chops. forgotten in the refrigerator for two weeks.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • ComBase
  • Growth and inactivation of Salmonella enterica and Listeria monocytogenes in broth and validation in ground pork meat during simulated home storage abusive temperature and home pan-frying - PMC
May 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Spoilage, Pork, Refrigerator

295. Baked Refrigerated Dough After Five Days in the Refrigerator

April 29, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating baked refrigerated raw dough after five days in the refrigerator.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • 282. Sage's Steak Cookies โ€” Risky or Not?
  • (147) Dry-aged Bacon Fat Cookie Cake with Miso Caramel | What's in the Fridge? Basics with Babish - YouTube
  • FoodKeeper App | FoodSafety.gov
April 29, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Dough, Refrigerator

294. Hand Washing Raw Meat Dishes

April 27, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of hand washing raw meat dishes when you don't have an automatic dishwasher.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - risky โ˜ฃ๏ธ

  • The survival of foodborne pathogens during domestic washing-up and subsequent transfer onto washing-up sponges, kitchen surfaces and food - ScienceDirect
  • The survival of foodborne pathogens during domestic washing-up and subsequent transfer onto washing-up sponges, kitchen surfaces and food - ScienceDirect
  • doi:10.1016/S0168-1605(02)00510-X | Elsevier Enhanced Reader
  • Quantifying the Effect of Hand Wash Duration, Soap Use, Ground Beef Debris, and Drying Methods on the Removal of Enterobacter aerogenes on Hands | Journal of Food Protection
  • PURELLยฎ Multi-Surface Disinfectant | 3345-06-INT00
April 27, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Raw meat, Washing dishes

293. Low Volume Lasagna at Olive Garden

April 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of low volume lasagna (made with beef reused over 11 days) at Olive Garden.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Reply to @nc_704 | with Music original sound - Andrew
  • Landon Conover #Vaccinated #EXTREME MASKER on Twitter: "#RiskyorNot @bugcounter @benjaminchapman This seems pretty crazyโ€ฆ #TikTok https://t.co/rTGCvQ77Ox" / Twitter
  • Darden Restaurants: A Leader in the Full-Service Restaurant Industry
  • Tyndallization - Wikipedia
April 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Reheating, Tyndallization, Leftovers

292. Whole Strawberries at Room Temperature for 24 Hr

April 22, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of leaving whole strawberries at room temperature for 24 hr.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • Justin on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman #riskyOrNot Feeding my toddler strawberries that were purchased from the grocery store, kept in the fridge for a few days, then left out on the counter at room temperature for 24 hours before finally cutting them up." / Twitter
  • Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on fresh and frozen strawberries - ScienceDirect
  • PDF of Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on fresh and frozen strawberries by Stephan Flessa, Dawn M. Lusk, and Linda J. Harris
  • ComBase Models Are Valid for Predicting Fate of Listeria monocytogenes on 10 Whole Intact Raw Fruits and Vegetables | Journal of Food Protection
  • Growth and Survival of Listeria monocytogenes on Intact Fruit and Vegetable Surfaces During Postharvest Handling: A Systematic Literature Review | Journal of Food Protection
  • ComBase
  • Food and Foodstuff - pH Values
April 22, 2022 /Don Schaffner

291. RTE Greens With Dirt in the Package

April 20, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating RTE greens with dirt in the package.

Dr. Don - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Professor Ben - not risky ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

  • BrightFarms Announces Voluntary Recall Expansion of Packaged Salad Greens Sold in Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana and Michigan | FDA
  • Consumer Complaint Coordinators | FDA
  • BrightFarms | Fresh Baby Greens Grown for Locals
  • BrightFarms | FAQ: Learn More About Our Products and How We Grow
  • Investigation Details | Salmonella Outbreak Linked to BrightFarms Packaged Salad Greens | CDC
April 20, 2022 /Don Schaffner
RTE leafy greens, Dirt
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