Risky or Not?

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315. Continuing to Eat a Jar of Recalled Jif Peanutbutter

June 15, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of continuing to eat from a jar of recalled Jif peanutbutter.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Food Safety Talk 263: Faraday Cage For The Voice — Food Safety Talk
  • Michelle Jewell on Twitter: "Ok a serious #riskyornot for @bugcounter and @benjaminchapman: If I have one of the recalled jiff jars, but I've already eaten 75% of it, can I keep it? https://t.co/Ic01PsZUgg https://t.co/wV2dd38AFX" / Twitter
  • The J. M. Smucker Co. Issues Voluntary Recall of Select Jif® Products Sold in the U.S. for Potential Salmonella Contamination | FDA
  • Prevalence and Level of Listeria monocytogenes in Ice Cream Linked to a Listeriosis Outbreak in the United States | Journal of Food Protection
  • Dose–response modeling of Salmonella using outbreak data - ScienceDirect
  • Actual distribution of Cronobacter spp. in industrial batches of powdered infant formula and consequences for performance of sampling strategies - ScienceDirect
  • Urban Dictionary: Sharkology
June 15, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salmonella, Peanutbutter, Recall

314. Unrefrigerated Cut Watermelon Over Night

June 13, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating cut watermelon left unrefrigerated overnight

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Growth of Salmonella spp. in Cantaloupe, Watermelon, and Honeydew Melons | Journal of Food Protection
  • Effect of time before storage and storage temperature on survival of Salmonella inoculated on fresh-cut melons - ScienceDirect
  • Survival and Growth of Enterohemorrhagic Escherichia coli O157:H7 in Cantaloupe and Watermelon | Journal of Food Protection
  • Modeling the growth of Listeria monocytogenes on cut cantaloupe, honeydew and watermelon - ScienceDirect
  • Outbreaks Associated with Cantaloupe, Watermelon, and Honeydew in the United States, 1973–2011 | Foodborne Pathogens and Disease
June 13, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fruit, Fresh produce, Salmonella, Listeria, E. coli

313. Nibbling a Rhubarb Leaf

June 10, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of nibbling a rhubarb leaf.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Randal Oulton on Twitter: "Around this time each spring it's a thing now for a few voices to chirp up saying rhubarb leaves are okay to eat (screen capped here for instance a UC extension service master gardener, Kate Russell.) Have you ever weighed in on this @benjaminchapman @bugcounter ? https://t.co/CAgt4oUY34" / Twitter
  • Neighbourhood: The Beaches | Destination Toronto
  • Ingestion of rhubarb leaves as cause of oxalic acid poisoning.
  • The chemistry of edible rhubarb - Blundstone - 1964 - Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture - Wiley Online Library
  • 8 Foods High in Oxalates and Why You Should Avoid It
  • Are Rhubarb Leaves Toxic? | OSU Extension Service
  • "Death From Rhubarb Leaves Due to Oxalic Acid Poisoning" | Jama | JamaNetwork
  • Evaluation of Oxalate Concentration in the U.S. Spinach Germplasm Collection in: HortScience Volume 43 Issue 6 (2008)
  • An ode to rhubarb: Which grows plentifully in Washington and is a great crop for lazy gardeners | The Seattle Times

Don's bonus links

  • All About Tropical Tubers - How to Buy, Store, and Use Taro Root
  • Calcium oxalate - Wikipedia
June 10, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rhubarb, Oxalic acid

312. Months Old Stock Under Rendered Fat

June 08, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of consuming refrigerated months old chicken stock under rendered fat.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Clostridium botulinum and the safety of refrigerated processed foods of extended durability - ScienceDirect
  • Low-sodium chicken stock - Mayo Clinic
June 08, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Botulism, Schmaltz, Chicken stock

311. River Pickles

June 06, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of canned pickles found in a river.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • I found a bunch of jars of pickles in a river and took one home, they were still sealed : Weird
  • Food Safety Talk 255: Crunchy Granola Hippie Town — Food Safety Talk
  • National Center for Home Food Preservation | How Do I? Store
  • The Stranger (album) - Wikipedia)
June 06, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pickles, Canning

310. Really Old Green Coffee Beans

June 03, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of drinking coffee made from really old coffee beans.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Steve Lister on Twitter: "1930's green coffee beans roasted today? Is @jimseven going to end up in the hospital? @bugcounter @benjaminchapman #riskyornot https://t.co/DOAn7SqQLm" / Twitter
  • Drinking Harrods Coffee From the 1930s - YouTube
  • Joseph Lister - Wikipedia
  • 130. Drinking Civit Poop Coffee — Risky or Not?
  • Mycotoxins in Coffee | Journal of AOAC INTERNATIONAL | Oxford Academic
  • Sci-Hub | Mycotoxins in Coffee
June 03, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Coffee, Shelf-life, Mycotoxin, Mold

309. Adding Milk to Yogurt to Make More Yogurt

June 01, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of making yogurt by adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼
Dr. and Mrs. Danyluk - not risky 👍🏼

  • Protested game - Wikipedia
  • Landon Conover #Vaccinated on Twitter: "I don't know if this is really a thing, but for me, the more important canonical question is: Adding milk to yogurt to make more yogurt, #RiskyOrNot? @bugcounter and @benjaminchapman" / Twitter
  • Yogurt, cultured fermented milk, and health: a systematic review | Nutrition Reviews | Oxford Academic
  • A 100-Year Review: Yogurt and other cultured dairy products - ScienceDirect
  • Creamy Homemade Yogurt Recipe - NYT Cooking
  • Modeling of the Competitive Growth of Listeria monocytogenes and Lactococcus lactis in Vegetable Broth | Applied and Environmental Microbiology
  • ComBase
June 01, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Yogurt, Milk, Fermentation, Lactic Acid Bacteria

Canadian content? ✔️

308. Two Day Trunk Cheese

May 30, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from pepper jack cheese left in a trunk for two days.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Kim Zetter on Twitter: "PSA: turns out you can (unintentionally) leave cheese in the trunk of your car for two days in 70-degree heat and it will still be good to eat (meaning, it won't make you sick). My contribution to gastronmical science. You're welcome." / Twitter
May 30, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cheese, Temperature abuse

307. Buffet Corndogs Brought From Home

May 27, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from corndogs brought from home placed on a buffet.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Frank Brown on Twitter: "Buffet corndogs with hard “exoskeleton” brought from home by other customers #riskyornot @benjaminchapman @bugcounter https://t.co/dOCtmXxbxl" / Twitter

  • at a buffet, i personally sneak corndogs into the buffet so others can enjoy them. I hide - Twitter Search / Twitter

  • Food Safety Basics - Environmental Health

  • Homemade Corn Dogs Recipe (VIDEO) - NatashasKitchen.com

  • FSIS C. perfringens Risk Assessment Metrics Report

May 27, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Corndogs, Clostridium perfringens, Hand hygiene, Food from unsafe sources

306. Plant Based Deli Meat and Soft Cheeses for a Pregnant Woman

May 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of plant based deli meat and soft cheeses for a pregnant woman.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • ‎Brief Nut Milk Cheese Risk Analysis

  • Viability of Shiga Toxin–producing Escherichia Coli, Salmonella, and Listeria monocytogenes Within Plant Versus Beef Burgers During Cold Storage and Following Pan Frying | Journal of Food Protection

  • Listeria Found Inside Vegan Food Plant | Food Safety News

May 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Plant based foods, Listeria

305. Uncovered Trash Cans in Women’s/Unisex Bathrooms

May 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks posed by feminine hygiene products in uncovered trash cans in women’s/unisex bathrooms.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

May 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bathroom, Trash can, Feminine hygiene products

304. Steve's Green Beef Pastrami

May 20, 2022 by Don Schaffner

little bits of green that have been cut off.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼

Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Steve Lister on Twitter: "Making beef pastrami. Brining for about 12 days (Brine calc in link). Took ribs out to smoke and has two small tips were out of the brine and were green. About 2mm circle each that I cut off. Still safe after smoking to 203F? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter https://t.co/QjRjHMdGrk" / Twitter
  • The Science Of Curing Meats Safely
  • Mechanism Underlying Green Discolouration of Myoglobin Induced by Atmospheric Pressure Plasma - PMC
  • The color of meat depends on myoglobin: Part 1 - MSU Extension
  • Does Color Change Mean the Product is Spoiled?
May 20, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Pastrami, Curing, Green meat

303. Eight Pounds of Pad Thai Leftovers

May 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eight pounds of pad thai leftovers brought home from a work event.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • K Brooke Golisch, MD on Twitter: "Hypothetically if one took home an approximately 8 lb tin of leftover pad thai from a work event on Thursday, what would the latest possible day one could eat it and probably not get sick?" / Twitter
  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@BrooketheOstomy What are the dimensions of the tin?" / Twitter
  • Jacobsen's Danish Butter Cookies | World Market
  • 15 cups to liters
May 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Leftovers, Cooling

302. Reheating Food in a Microwave

May 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from reheating food in a microwave.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • A computer vision method to locate cold spots in foods in microwave sterilization processes - ScienceDirect
  • Variability in temperature distribution and cooking properties of ground pork patties containing different fat level and with/without salt cooked by microwave energy - ScienceDirect
  • Cooking with Microwave Ovens | Food Safety and Inspection Service
May 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Heating, Leftovers, Microwave

301. "Canning" Without "Cooking"

May 13, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from some weird recipes from 1918.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Dave Arnold on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter No heat no acid canning? I know this is risky. My question is, is there any way this could possibly be safe? “Canning Without Cooking” from American Cookery (formerly Boston Cooking School Mag)June/July 1918. https://t.co/Z0dcl1Bqg1" / Twitter
  • Thermal Resistance of Spores from pH, Elevating Strains of Bacillus licheniformis - MONTVILLE - 1981 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • Inherent Variability in the Efficacy of the USDA Raw‐Pack Process for Home‐Canned Tomatoes - MONTVILLE - 1983 - Journal of Food Science - Wiley Online Library
  • 293. Low Volume Lasagna at Olive Garden — Risky or Not?
May 13, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Canning, pH, Sugar, Water activity

300. Washing Your Toilet Seat in Your Dishwasher

May 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of washing your toilet seat in your dishwasher.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Jen (@jmac0825) TikTok | Watch Jen's Newest TikTok Videos
  • 294. Hand Washing Raw Meat Dishes — Risky or Not?
  • A method to evaluate factors influencing the microbial reduction in domestic dishwashers - Brands - 2020 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Hygiene in Commercial Dishwashing – A Review about the State of Knowledge in Research, Standardization, Regulation and Market Information
  • https://www.foodstandards.gov.au/publications/documents/Appendi3.pdf
May 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Dishwasher, Toilet

299. Rihanna's Ocean Dipped Mangos

May 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating Rihanna's ocean dipped mangos.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Michelle Jewell on Twitter: "@gabgonebad #riskyornot? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter" / Twitter
  • Ingestion of swimming pool water by recreational swimmers | Journal of Water and Health | IWA Publishing
  • The coastal environment and human health: microbial indicators, pathogens, sentinels and reservoirs | Environmental Health | Full Text
  • Pregnant Travelers - Chapter 7 - 2020 Yellow Book | Travelers' Health | CDC
  • ‘Our Water Supply is being Managed like a Rumshop’: Water Governance in Barbados: Social and Environmental Accountability Journal: Vol 31, No 2
May 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Seawater, Mangoes, Cross-contamination

298. Canadian Airport Toilet Vegetables

May 06, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating vegetables found in a Canadian airport toilet.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Mysterious toilet vegetables shock travellers at Toronto's Pearson Airport
  • bury the lede - Wiktionary
  • Found a toilet full of vegetables at Pearson International Airport : mildlyinteresting
May 06, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Canada, Toilet, Airport, Vegetables

297. Poultry Cooked to 150 °F (Plus Carryover)

May 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooking poultry to 150 °F plus carryover heating.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • How to Check If Your Turkey's Cooked to the Right Temperature
  • USDA FSIS Appendix A

While searching for show art, Don came across the page linked below. This provides a more quantitative assessment, but does not change the overall conclusions.

  • The Science of Carryover Cooking: What Happens After You Cook |
May 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cooking, Poultry, Temperature

296. Pastor Pinkston's Putrid (?) Pork

May 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of Pastor Pinkston's pork chops. forgotten in the refrigerator for two weeks.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • ComBase
  • Growth and inactivation of Salmonella enterica and Listeria monocytogenes in broth and validation in ground pork meat during simulated home storage abusive temperature and home pan-frying - PMC
May 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Spoilage, Pork, Refrigerator
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